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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Missing Links
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:10:35 -0600
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Bonnie, You are absolutely right; the proclaimed F haplotypes are prime
candidates to be tested for IJ status --- except for my haplotype. Sometime
ago I changed my entry from I1a to F to illustrate how silly, yet easy, it
was to have so many understated entries in Ysearch, not to speak of the
number of misstated entries. Most I1a haplotypes in Ysearch are still
called I, if not "unknown", simply because FTDNA's 12 marker algorithm left
out I1a identification, and until very recently FTDNA did not offer any SNP
test for I1a.

Since Ysearch and even SMGF are biased toward NW Europe, and it is more
likely that IJ haps should have made it to there than F, assuming that IJ
guys exist, I would not be surprised if some of these F haplotypes are also
IJ.

Ken (technically an F as well as I1a, I guess)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Schrack" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [DNA] Missing Links


> Ken,
>
>>Actually we don't even know what an IJx(I,J)
>>extended haplotype looks like, or whether they still exist, or if exist
>>in what percentage and where?
>>
> Very true, but thinking out loud here, wouldn't they come disguised as
> "F*" haplotypes? They have usually put samples there, that have been
> negative for G, H, I, J, and K SNPs but positive for M89; I would think
> some of these would have to be tested for S22 or S2 to see whether any of
> them were IJ. There are few of them, but there have been F samples found
> in some studies, haven't there? I realize sometimes those are just
> undertested samples, called F out of laziness, but not always, I think.
>
> Actually I ran into a "Nordtvedt" haplotype in Ysearch that was labeled F;
> I suppose you have mentioned this on the list, but I wasn't listening?
>
> Bonnie
>
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