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From: "Jason S. Clary" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c10 (S28) - Teutonic or Ancient Celt?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:42:04 -0700
References: <20060425161602.A971086B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>


There's always the possibility that the majority of Irish and Scots living
now are a different people that assimilated to celtic culture when they
arrived. That might explain the genetic similarities to the basque with the
cultural and linguistic similarities to Celts. Pure conjecture on my part,
though. ;)

It's interesting that the Anglo-Normans, successful invaders, are said to
have become more Irish than the Irish themselves. Maybe it's something
about the romantic nature of the culture that allows it to survive influx of
genes from elsewhere.

That's the reverse of the concept of a small group of invaders changing the
language of a region but I don't see why both aren't possibilities depending
on the situation.

You see a similar effect in western religion... Although it "wins", it
assimilates local concepts becoming something reminiscent of the old.
Interesting that a lot of this also happened in Ireland. ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Desmond" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c10 (S28) - Teutonic or Ancient Celt?


> While David Faux has raised an interesting proposal, that S28+ is a
> "Celtic" identifier, I think a couple of items need to be
> investigated further before leaping to that conclusion:
>
> a) how to explain the presence of S28+ in both the Shetlands and
> Greece, not known Celtic hot-spots
> b) more details on exactly where in "Western Britain" it is found
> in "a high percentage" (David is playing those cards very close to the
> vest...)
> c) if Wales, make sure it is not from a more recent source (Norman,
> Viking, Anglo-Saxon), and even then, when make a resonable guess of
> when it arrived there in a known historical timeframe
> d) how to explain the absence of S28+ in Ireland or
> Scotland (esecially if it does exist in Wales only)
>
> Personally, I think David's original theory that S28+ is a
> "Teutonic" identifier, coming out of a Balkan/Anatolian
> refugeum after the LGM, and then up and around thru the
> Baltic/Scandanavian
> area, makes more sense.
>
>
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