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From: David Faux <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c10 (S28) - Teutonic or Ancient Celt?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:06:29 -0700 (PDT)


From: "Tim Desmond" < DisplayMail('lycos.com','tdesmond'); >
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c10 (S28) - Teutonic or Ancient Celt?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:16:02 -0500
While David Faux has raised an interesting proposal, that S28+ is a
"Celtic" identifier, I think a couple of items need to be
investigated further before leaping to that conclusion:

a) how to explain the presence of S28+ in both the Shetlands and
Greece, not known Celtic hot-spots
b) more details on exactly where in "Western Britain" it is found
in "a high percentage" (David is playing those cards very close to the
vest...)
c) if Wales, make sure it is not from a more recent source (Norman,
Viking, Anglo-Saxon), and even then, when make a resonable guess of
when it arrived there in a known historical timeframe
d) how to explain the absence of S28+ in Ireland or
Scotland (esecially if it does exist in Wales only)

Personally, I think David's original theory that S28+ is a
"Teutonic" identifier, coming out of a Balkan/Anatolian
refugeum after the LGM, and then up and around thru the Baltic/Scandanavian
area, makes more sense.
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Tim:

This whole business is driving me nuts because of a lack of data. Most of our customers are brick walled in the USA so that does not help in outlining the distribution of S21 and S28 in Europe. Thus we have to rely on the painstaking procedure of obtaining research samples from different labs across Europe and testing each. Laborious and draining of resources.

Although I would tend to agree with you based on earlier statements, recent research has changed everything. it is clear that the region with a relatively high level of S28 and lesser arounts of S21 in Britain is almost entirely R1b. The Haplogroup I is all either I1b1 or I1b2 - there is no I1a there so no Scandinavian influence. In addition, what stops me from thinking that S28 is highly represented in the Baltic area is that there is none in Western Norway or Friesland. Granted we have no data from the Baltic at this point, it is simply stretching things to believe that S28 came to an abrupt halt at the Jutland Penninsula but is the predominant haplogroup of the Alamanni people who came from the Baltic to the Alpine German area before the break up of the Roman Empire. There is little to support the idea that this was not an example of elite dominance in this area as it seems unlikely that they uprooted all the locals - although this is possible. The matter will
not be settled until we have samples from the Baltic and particularly Denmark. We are working on it.

David Faux.


Dr. David K.W. Faux
President
Ethnoancestry USA, Inc.
www.ethnodna.com








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