GENEALOGY-DNA-L Archives

Archiver > GENEALOGY-DNA > 2006-05 > 1146526888


From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] O'Neill DNA
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:56:16 -0500
In-Reply-To: <44569272.000003.02700@YOUR-F78BF48CE2>


Frances

M222 is a slowly mutating SNP, not an STR like we more commonly count. It
has been discovered within the last few months and has been actively
discussed on this list. It defines a subbranch within R1b1c. Go to some of
David Faux recent postings on this site or the Ethnoancestry web site.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: kiwiskeeper [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:58 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [DNA] O'Neill DNA

Mark,

What is an M222. Frances



-------Original Message-------



From: Mark MacDonald

Date: 05/01/06 15:26:13

To:

Subject: RE: [DNA] O'Neill DNA



Doesn't the O"Neill project need to encourage all R1bs that fit any of these

groups to test for M222; in their special circumstance it would potentially

help their members more than going up to 59 STRs. Getting more M222 tests

from more variations from 13 25 14 11 11 13 with 14 at 392 should also help

some of the rest of us with potentially hidden O'Neills in our projects. I

understand that at least one 24 at 390 has tested positive for M222. If so

what about 13 24 14 11 11 12 with 14 at 392 or 13 24 14 11 11 13 with 11 at

439 but 13 at 392. Clan Donald has groups of each of those.



Mark MacDonald





-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:">mailto:
> [mailto:]

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:07 PM

To:

Subject: [DNA] O'Neill DNA



There are 27 O'Neills from Ulster listed in the Trinity spreadsheet. These



seem to fall into two and perhaps three distinct groups.



1. Ui Neill



There are 9 samples that debatably could be included as Ui Neill. I say

debatably because the markers vary somewhat. What most have in common is a

DYS

390 = 25 and a DYS 392 = 14. One sample has a DYS = 24 and may not belong

in

the group.



These markers follow the standard FTDNA order. The ? stands for DYS 426

for

which Trinity has no corresponding entry.



13 25 15 13 11 13 ? 12 13 13 14 29

13 25 14 11 11 13 ? 12 11 13 14 29

13 24 14 11 11 14 ? 12 13 13 14 28

13 25 14 11 11 14 ? 12 13 13 14 29

13 26 14 11 11 14 ? 12 12 13 14 29

13 25 14 11 11 13 ? 12 13 14 14 30

13 25 14 11 11 13 ? 12 12 13 14 29

13 25 15 11 11 13 ? 12 13 13 14 29

13 25 14 11 11 13 ? 12 11 13 14 29







2. ?????



There are 13 samples in this group. I've checked Ken's R1b modals and

these

aren't a perfect fit for any of them. They might be closest to his R1b-Sc2



modal but I'm not sure myself.





13 24 14 11 12 15 ? 12 12 13 13 30

13 24 14 11 12 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 10 12 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 11 12 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 11 12 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 11 12 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 12 12 15 ? 12 11 14 13 31

13 24 14 11 13 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 11 12 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 11 12 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 11 12 15 ? 12 11 13 13 30





3. The third group is similar to Group 2 and may even belong to it. There

are five samples from the Trinity spreadsheet.



13 24 14 11 11 14 ? 12 11 13 13 30

13 24 14 11 11 14 ? 12 12 13 13 29

13 24 14 10 11 14 ? 12 12 13 13 28

13 24 14 10 12 14 ? 12 12 13 13 29

13 24 14 10 11 14 ? 12 13 13 13 29



I know it's difficult to say much based on 12 markers but that's mostly

what

we have for the O'Neills at the moment. Ysearch has a few O'Neills with no



definite locations for most of them. They do have these three listings

which

are similar to groups 2 and 3. Maybe the extended markers will tell

someone

somthing.



SKX6A 13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 11 13 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15

17

17

K3V2G 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 20 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15

17

17

62NT4 13 24 14 10 11 13 12 12 12 15 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 18 30 15 15

16

17



Patrick Maguinness suggested a while ago that the O'Neills with the Ui

Neill

pattern were the chieftains and the non-matching O'Neills in Ulster were

clansmen taken into the tribe by one means or another,similar to the

MacDonalds

of Scotland who do not match the chiefs in DNA.





Anybody have an idea of what R1b modal these O'Neills match or what it

might

mean in terms of Irish history and ethnic groups? I'm going to work on

sorting all 80 O'Neill samples from different baronies in Ireland. There's

no

reason to assume all O'Neills stayed neatly in their homelands for 400

years.





John









==============================

Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the

last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more:

http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx









==============================

Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more.

Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www
ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx




==============================
Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records.
New content added every business day. Learn more:
http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx



This thread: