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Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b page updated
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 18:39:09 EDT


In a message dated 5/6/2006 1:10:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:

3) R1b1c7 is doubtless a recent mutation on M269 Y-chromosomes and is
confined to those whose ancestry is traced to Northwest Ireland (although it may
occur elsewhere as a result of migration, or in Spain or France perhaps
because the first M222 emerged there).


This wouldn't by chance have anything to do with this listing on Ysearch,
would it? EthnoAncestry is one source listed for DNA testing.

PZBYY Galyon Gallion Galliene Galyen

The gentleman who posted this DNA is on this list. As I recall he said
his earliest known ancestor was in the U.S., but he was told his surname was
French in origin.


How recent is recent?

I ask because O Rahilly states the Ui Neill (ie, the northern Gaedhil)
were comparatively recent immigrants to Ireland from elsewhere (he guesses
Gaul). And this is in opposition to the prevailing opinion that the Ui Neill
were indigenous to Ireland. O Rahilly says the northern and southern Gaedhil
were the last immigrants to Ireland, perhaps arriving as late as 50 BC. but well
before 300 BC.

This DNA, while testing positive for M222, is not an identical match to
the Ui Neill modal.

13 24 14 10 11 13 12 12 12 13 14 29 16 9 10 10 11 25 15 18 30 15 16 16 16

Part of it matches the Ui Neill modal. 11-13 at DYS 385ab. 14-29 at DYS
392-389-2. 18-30 at DYS 448-449. A little off at 464abcd (15-16-16-16). Way
off at 13-24-14-10.

Any comments on this DNA, SNP M222 or what it might mean in terms of O
Rahilly's theories? Maybe O Rahilly blew his analysis of the northern Gaedhil.
He wasn't right about everything. Those of us interested in Irish history
would like to get a handle on this.


John








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