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From: "PeterLangley" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Help Please - Irish Surnames
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:44:35 +0100
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I notice that Mr Bridgewater claims one of his ancestors is a Nutter.
Now, I wonder!!!

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From: "grandcross" <>
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Subject: Re: [DNA] Help Please - Irish Surnames


> quinny wrote:
>
>> And he a descendant of Ferdinand III Castile who is a descendant of
>> Muhammad the Prophet.
>
>
> I wrote:
>
>> Could you enlighten me on the historical basis for that remark? I
>> genuinely
>> am interested because I've never heard of it before.
>
> and quinny responded:
>
>> All goes back to Zaida (Isabella) m. King Alfonso VI de León y Castile
>> (1040-1109)see http://klausjames.tripod.com/royal.html...
>
>
> I see. Well, guess that answers my question.
>
> I checked this site and found it is maintained by a Mr. Nicholas James
> Bridgewater whose "fundamental motivation and animating purpose" include
> an interest in "history, religions, genealogy and languages". He is a
> student at the University of Manchester in England. Mr. Bridgewater offers
> a fascinating look at his family tree. He lists the last six generations
> of his ancestors, both in English and Esperanto which was thoughtful. He
> also reveals detailed genealogies tracing various lineages back to Moses,
> The Prophet Muhammad, St. Joseph and Adam, among others.
>
> One of these lists (labeled Umayyad, Spanish and Portuguese Descent) does
> indeed show "Fernando III de Castile y Leon" (sic) as a descendant of
> Ishmael, son of the Prophet Abraham. Fernando's great, great, great
> grandfather is King Alfonso VI de Leon y Castilla but, according to Mr.
> Bridgewater's list, he was married to Ximena Nunez de Guzman, not Zaida
> (Isabella) as you suggest. Of course, this could have been nothing more
> than a translation error from Spanish to Esperanto or vice versa. There
> are no footnotes or other references to sources from which any of the
> information on the site was derived.
>
> In fairness to Mr. Bridgewater he cautions that some of what he offers is
> "both historical and semi-legendary". The lines to Adam "of course are
> legendary" (his words not mine). No such disclaimer is made in reference
> to The Prophet Muhammad, so perhaps Mr. Bridgewater is more secure in his
> belief of The Profit's place within the Bridgewater clan.
>
> I assume this is the only source for your belief in the descent from
> Muhammad of monarchs in both the Spanish and Portuguese royal families.
>
> Best regards.
>
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