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Subject: Fitzgeralds
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:58:33 EDT


I found a pedigree for Fitzgerald in the MacFirbis Genealogies (d. 1670
AD).. I can supply a copy if desired or you can locate one yourself on the ISOS
site (University College, Dublin).

MacFirbis p. 787a

Muiris
m. Gerailt
m. Robert m Uilliam m. Muiris
m. Seain m. Robert m. Uilliam
m. Robert mor of Windsor

This pedigree is essentially the same as variants appearing in the O Clery
Book of Genealogies of a slightly earlier date. The O Clery fragments are
themselves inconsistent.

O Clery Book of Genealogies

Earls of Kildare

2197. .....Muiris m. Geruilt mhoir (o n-abarthar Geraltaigh)
mic Roibeird mic Uilliam mic Muiris mic Seon mic Roibeird moir o Woindser.

1298..... Muiris (.i. Justis na h-Erenn....) m. Gerailt moir (o n-abarthar
Geraltaigh)
m. Muiris m. Seaon m.Roibert m Uilliam m. Roibert moir o Woindsir.

Earls of Desmond

2225. . ....Muiris m. Gerailt mhoir (or geinetar Geraltaigh) m. Roibert m.
Uilliam m. Muris
m. Seoin m. Roibeirt m. Uilliam m Roibeirt mhor o Woinsior.


But they all link the family in one way or another to Robert of Windsor. I
still think it's curious that these Irish versions linking the Fitzgeralds to
Robert of Windsor exist side by side in terms of dates with other versions
linking them to Walter FitzOther. It seems we have two streams of thought
concerning the Fitzgeralds in Ireland, neither of which consulted the other.

There are also some Fitzgerald DNA samples on this site, one of which
(F-5) is the same listing as R57KA on Ysearch. 3 listings are E3b; 5 are R1b; 3
are haplogroup I. These match WBEHQ from Ysearch, listed as I1a3. It's
unclear from the site where these samples came from. The results could be skewed
by testing relatives.

_http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/fitzgerald/_
(http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/fitzgerald/)

One surname said to descend in the male line from Gerald of Windsor and
Nesta is Carews of Wales. This is probably now Carew (as in George Carew,
author of the Carew Calendar, (Baron Carew of Clopton and Earl of Totnes, d.
1629). There is only one Carew in Ysearch (SSXER) of unknown origin. His DNA
tests Ea3 on Whitley's predictor. I can't hazard a guess as to whether this is
even close to the E3b Fitzgerald listings.

As to the general milieu of the Fitzgerald kindred in Wales, the de Barry
family is linked by marriage to a dau. of Gerald of Windsor and Nesta. The
surname McAdam is said to be a branch of these. At least one sample of McAdam
on Ysearch also tests E3b. (9GYSM). Another family linked by marriage is de
Cogan. This surname is now Goggin and Gogan. Ysearch has several of these
of unknown origin. All are R1b. But other surnames were also anglicized
identically.

BX34K, 8FPW7, JFWHD, Q8T78


So what were the line of the chiefs of the Fitzgeralds, E3b or R1b? The
I haplogroups can probably be dismissed as some kind of Viking infiltration.
I think Tim is right - you'll probably never found out until one of the
major chiefs is tested.


John










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