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From: Sam Sloan <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] RE: Sloan's Thesis as to the Origin of English People
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:49:44 -0400
In-Reply-To: <E1FmC2W-000ElF-6y@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>


At 04:58 PM 6/2/2006 +0100, wrote:
>Sam
>
>according to studies by Qamar et al in 2002 and Sengupta et al in 2006, the
>Kalash are a mixture of Y haplogroups -
>G2 approx. 18%
>H1 approx. 20%
>J2 9%
>L3 25%
>R* 9%
>R1a 18%
>(Data from Qamar but reclassifying the original haplogroups into current
>terminology using Sengupta).
>
>The most common haplogroups in NW Europe - R1b and I - were not found.
>Neither were groups such as R2 and L1 which are common in India. Some of the
>groups (G2, J2, possibly L3) found amongst the Kalash are also found in the
>middle east and southern Europe.
>Conclusion - they could be a mixture of indigenous peoples and incomers from
>further west.
>
>I don't know whether mtDNA data is similarly mixed. Autosomal testing is now
>available but results can be ambiguous and difficult to interpret.
>
>You can't draw conclusions about a whole population from testing just 2 men
>and 2 women.
>If your friends are interested in their own paternal/maternal ancestry as
>revealed by DNA and/or would like to add probably distinctive haplotypes to
>the databases, encourage them to test.
>
>If either of the men turn out to be haplogroup L they will be very welcome
>in the Y-Haplogroup L project.
>
>Gareth

Thank you very much for this important information.

However, it is vastly more likely that the Nuristanis, also known as the
"Red Kafirs", are of European origin or, according to my theory, that the
Europeans are descended from them.

A Nuristani lady visited me a few weeks ago and I must tell you that she
looked like she was German. She was very white, very fair and there was
nothing about her that resembled in any way a Middle Eastern or Asian person.

Yet, I know that she was born in a small village in Nuristan in Afghanistan
and her parents are both Nuristani.

The "Red Kafirs" are called that because their skin is what we call white.

Have any Red Kafirs been tested? They are more numerous but harder to find.
There are 100,000 Red Kafirs but only 3,000 Kalash. However, to find a
Kalash you have only to go to one of their villages, the locations of which
are well known. The Nuristanis are spead out all over and you have to know
them to know who they are.

Sam Sloan




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