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From: Bonnie Schrack <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] European R1a and India
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:16:24 -0400


Jim asked,

> Have any of you Y-DNA R1a folks gotten matches with South Asian
> Indians on your autosomal DNA?
>
> I checked the DNA Tribes Results Log, and there's no mention of it.
>
> I'm asking about non-Roma/Gypsy cases, by the way. The case I'm
> looking at (mine) does not match anything Roma on the European or
> Indian sides.
>
> I've had an upgraded atDNA analysis from DNA Tribes, and the matches
> (actually called a "Match Likelihood Index") with European groups all
> make sense. Yet ahead of them I have seven even stronger matches with
> various groups in India. They are not in any social or geographical
> cluster in India. My family has no connection with India.
> The company says the matches are valid but could be ancient. I'm
> trying to figure out what group the common ancestor belonged to, 6,000
> or even 50,000 years ago.

I'm curious as to why you asked about R1a, since it's not your
haplogroup, Jim?

Not in autosomal, now, but in Y-DNA, we have a Hoover R1a lineage, in
which one of our close matches is with another family whose genealogist
has been captivated by the fact that her paternal line has an extremely
close match with an Indian fellow, and she can't believe that this is
meaningless, but is looking to learn as much as she can. I have told
her that I don't think there have been any Indian migrations to Prussia
in a timeframe that would explain this (not in the last few decades, but
when her family lived there). . . and the Indian guy would presumably
have mentioned if he believed that he might have any recent European
ancestry. Also, I don't think that R1a has been associated much with
the Roma. I think it's just that some families have maintained a
similar R1a haplotype for many generations, while R1a dispersed into
different regions. But it does point to the fact that people in India
and northern Europe share a lot of DNA.

Bonnie

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