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From: "Eric Olson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] European R1a and India
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:12 -0700


Lloyd,

Thank you for the reference.

Perhaps intermarry was the wrong word. It implies sanctioned unions.
Co-habitation is a different matter. If there was any Indian R1a flowing
from India toWestern Europe 500 years ago, it would have to be from R1a
Indian men co-habitating with European colonial women. That probably would
have upset the Church and Crown.

Any effects lingering today would probably be small. Yet there are so many
unique haplotypes around! Just one son of a European woman who had a son
by an R1a Indian man, which son returned to Europe and had offspring, could
have left thousands of R1a descendants today in his hometown. Not a major
population migration of course, but a private one, with a founder, and of
no particular interest, except to them.

The original poster of this question about R1a in Eastern Europe and in
India posits a separate eastern and a western early migration or expansion
out of some intermediate location, and I tend to think that most probable,
if only because of the vast distance between say northern India and the
Carpathians, and the intervening LGM which ended about 10,000 years ago.
There may have been two routes out of a refuge during the abrupt thaw.
Where was ancestral R1 from 20,000+ years ago until the end of the LGM?
Were the Kurgans R1 or R1a?

Now this is an observation and a question, not a lecture...

Eric

> [Original Message]
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Date: 6/19/2006 5:05:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] European R1a and India
>
>
> In a message dated 6/19/2006 3:32:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> That is, Europeans
> were living in India among the Indians. Did they intermarry?
>
> Eric
>
>
> You bet they did. Read about the complaints of the Church and Portuguese
> Crown of
> all the co-habitation.
>
> Ref: "The Portuguese Seaborne Empire: 1415-1825" by Prof. Charles R.
Boxer.
>
> Lloyd Ellis
>
>
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