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From: "Ray Galyean" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b SNP page updated
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:11:37 -0600
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John,
I have been placed in STR19, and am M222+, but a few markers,
especially 390=24, 391=10, 455=10, and 458=16 in particular, keep me
from matching closely with any other STR19. I have been trying to see
where the specific markers might likely be coming from. 390, 391 =
24,10 seems common in eastern europe, however Yearch TEGAV with an
origin in Sicily matches those markers overall about as well as any.
His Hg is shown as "unknown". Does he appear to you to be STR19?
RayG
----- Original Message -----
From: "John McEwan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:01 AM
Subject: [DNA] R1b SNP page updated


> Dear all
>
> The R1b SNP page has been updated.
> www.geocities.com/mcewanjc
>
> There are 29 new or updated entries.
>
> 1) I found another R1b1c6 (SRY2627+) individual and we now have 4
> 2) I have entered many individuals who have indicated they are M222+
> tested and based on their STR profiles they all appear to be. It
> would
> be great if we could get full SNP test results from these people. At
> present the tally now stands at 47 M222+.
> 3) Ed O'Neill contacted me about a recent M222+ or R1b1c7 entry
> YS9J6
> which he was surprised that my original phase three haplotype
> analysis
> had classified as R1bSTR19Irish. The reason was that it is ELEVEN
> mismatches out of 37 from the modal for the group. I double checked,
> it
> is also 12 mismatches away from the R1b modal and 16 from the R1a
> modal.
> If you check the entry out at
>
> http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/37strallhapr1btwo.pdf
>
> You will find it is close to the edge of the Irish cluster. The
> results
> were supplied to me personally so I know they are correct.
>
> This is a real boundary case and it was correctly predicted based on
> the
> STR clustering and confirmed by the SNP. It also has implications
> for
> the likely age of the cluster. We have now got 118 M222 test results
> listed with 47 positive and all of the latter are within this
> cluster.
>
> I personally think the Irish cluster is far older than its TMRCA
> suggests which is about 3400 years. I think it is a remnant of an
> earlier R1b group and I also feel that it was unlikely to have even
> been
> in Iberia in the last glacial period, because it would have left
> some
> more substantial trace behind. This is getting pretty radical
> compared
> with the existing scientific dogma, but I put it out there for
> comment.
>
> As usual if you have new SNP results or notice errors please contact
> me.
>
> Cheers
>
> John McEwan
>
>
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