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From: "Sue J" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] DYS #'s and nationalities
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:22:56 -0400
In-Reply-To: <00a701c6b96c$a6d60c10$bb2bb843@YOURF8387228BF>


I do not even show a DYS 462 on my list of DYS numbers and values. I
guess that DYS must be from a test higher than the 25 marker DNA test.

Sue

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Goff [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:26 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS #'s and nationalities

Ken,

You made the point better than I did. Sue seems to be new to the List
and
may not have followed the development of this 12/13 split a couple of
years
ago. It provides a good illustration of tilting the odds, but not
reading
something into it that is not implied. Your more detailed explanation
should
help Sue. Thanks,

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS #'s and nationalities


>
> From: "Phil Goff" <>
>
>
> . For example, I am in haplogroup I1a
>> and have DYS462=12. According to the high level geographic
analysis, this
>> would indicate that my ancestors were not ultra-Norse, when the
evidence
>> based on my specific haplotype is that they were.
>
> "ultraNorse" I1a means a haplotype with DYS462 = 13, 390 = 23, and
385 =
> 14-15, and of course DYS455 = 8. It is found almost always with
> Scandinavian roots, and especially Norwegian. Only a few are found
in
> Germany or Netherlands. The probability is high the founder of this

> ultraNorse population was in Scandinavia.
>
> That fact says nothing about the distribution of DYS462 = 12 I1a.
In
> fact, it represents over half the Swedish and Danish I1a and almost
half
> the Norwegian I1a --- but almost all the German I1a and elsewhere in

> continental Europe. I have pointed this out a number of times.
DYS462 =
> 13 I1a seems to have had a more recent founder than DYS462 = 12 I1a,
based
> on a smaller ASD (average squared difference) for its population's
marker
> repeat values. The scenario is that once there was almost only
DYS462 = 12
> I1a in Europe during which era I1a finally made the spread up into
> Scandinavia. A new founder with a DYS462 = 13 mutation happened up
in
> Scandinavia somewhere and started a prolific line which to this day
is
> primarily confined to Scandinavia and those other places in the
world
> where Scandinavians emigrated in good number.
>
> Ken


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