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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Indo-European Y-DNA
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:26:11 -0600
References: <BAY122-F34304AB169A64E6BFA0B58DA570@phx.gbl> <001201c6ba34$035bee60$6401a8c0@Richard>

North Germany, Jutland, and Southern Sweden are the heartland of DYS462 = 12
I1a and also to a good degree Continental I1b2a (old I1c).

The splintering of haplogroup I in Europe (I1a, old I1b, old I1b2, old I1c,
old I1(x)) suggests it has been in Europe from a time well before the
arrival of Indo-European into this small "peninsula" of Eurasia. It is
amazing when looking at a non-distorting globe how tiny Europe is.


----- Original Message -----
From: "R. & G. Stevens" <>

> There is no particular reason to make y-haplogroup I specifically
> Indo-European either. In fact, there seems to be some reason to exclude it
> on linguistic grounds based on the shift of Germanic consonants away from
> their Indo-European originals. Such a shift would seem to be indicative of
> a substantial non-Indo-European substrate population in the region where
> Proto-German first developed (North Germany and the Jutland Peninsula, and
> possibly southern Sweden). Since that consonant shift did not develop
> elsewhere in the Indo-European world, where there wasn't so much I, it
> seems likely that consonant-shifting, non-Indo-European substrate belonged
> to that y-haplogroup.
> Rich

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