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Subject: Re: [DNA] Irish/ Scots clans, Dalriada, R1b etc
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:33:05 -0700


> However, I feel that
> the interpretations and even the approaches to
> archaeogenetics in my areas of interest have often
> been affected by the excellent genetics being married
> to confused/ partial/ oversimplified historical and
> archaeological interpretations and assumptions. Early
> Irish and Scottish history and clan genealogies
> represent very specialised areas of knowledge that are
> total minefields unless you really know your stuff. I
> hope to shortly make a few contributions in these
> areas and find time to post my thoughts on the issues
> of R1b NW Irish, R1b Scots, Dalriada and suggest new
> approaches/ interpretations.
>
> Alan
>

Well said. We certainly need all the expertise we can muster in these
"minefields" of contentious pedigrees & murky history. People with
Irish & Scottish surnames quantify a hefty part of the "privately
tested" database (as well as some academic studies) & I feel
confident that the database within the next few years will begin to
reveal a great deal of forgotten history about the clans. With some
of the larger clan surnames reporting in with 100+ participants (some
with 200+??), very distinctive clusters are beginning to emerge from
the fog, & in the not too distant future, we will begin to see
patterns that support or dispel specific reputed clan pedigrees. I
believe we are already seeing that to some limited degree. The
structure of the clan was such that many pedigrees were absorbed into
the clan over the centuries, culminating in specific patriarchal
haplotypes that cross over from clan to clan, resulting in the
diversity of haplotypes that are found within any large surname
project. The challenge will be to gather enough data to determine
which historic (& perhaps "prehistoric") patriarchal dynasties left
us some of the more common modals that we now encounter. Your
insights are needed & appreciated. Thanks, Pat Tagert


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