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From: "Wayne Morgan" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Irish/ Scots clans, Dalriada, R1b etc
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:53:19 -0300
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Can you suggest some quality references for Scots-Ulster history.

Thanks

Wayne


On 8/15/06, <> wrote:
>
> > However, I feel that
> > the interpretations and even the approaches to
> > archaeogenetics in my areas of interest have often
> > been affected by the excellent genetics being married
> > to confused/ partial/ oversimplified historical and
> > archaeological interpretations and assumptions. Early
> > Irish and Scottish history and clan genealogies
> > represent very specialised areas of knowledge that are
> > total minefields unless you really know your stuff. I
> > hope to shortly make a few contributions in these
> > areas and find time to post my thoughts on the issues
> > of R1b NW Irish, R1b Scots, Dalriada and suggest new
> > approaches/ interpretations.
> >
> > Alan
> >
>
> Well said. We certainly need all the expertise we can muster in these
> "minefields" of contentious pedigrees & murky history. People with
> Irish & Scottish surnames quantify a hefty part of the "privately
> tested" database (as well as some academic studies) & I feel
> confident that the database within the next few years will begin to
> reveal a great deal of forgotten history about the clans. With some
> of the larger clan surnames reporting in with 100+ participants (some
> with 200+??), very distinctive clusters are beginning to emerge from
> the fog, & in the not too distant future, we will begin to see
> patterns that support or dispel specific reputed clan pedigrees. I
> believe we are already seeing that to some limited degree. The
> structure of the clan was such that many pedigrees were absorbed into
> the clan over the centuries, culminating in specific patriarchal
> haplotypes that cross over from clan to clan, resulting in the
> diversity of haplotypes that are found within any large surname
> project. The challenge will be to gather enough data to determine
> which historic (& perhaps "prehistoric") patriarchal dynasties left
> us some of the more common modals that we now encounter. Your
> insights are needed & appreciated. Thanks, Pat Tagert
>
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