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From: "Daniel Jenkins" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] M222+ and STRs
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:43:49 +0000


John ,

Doesn't this point to the Ui Neill modal being more ancient and shouldn't the search now turn to finding the true ancestral hap. ?
Even though my Gallagher line is very modal, we may be getting hung up at Niall .

Dan Jenkins




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> From:
> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:06:23 -0400
> To:
> Subject: [DNA] M222+ and STRs
>
> I put together a list of values at different markers for people who have
> tested M222+, leaving off for the time being the Van der Lee sample until
> verified one way or the other.
>
> As far as I can tell, the M222+ samples are only consistent at two points of
> the Ui Neill modal, DYS 392 = 14 (or 15) and DYS 448=18.
>
> YS9J6 Larkin Tipperary, Ireland might be a good example.
>
> 13 26 14 10 11 14 12 12 13 13 14 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 18 28 15 15 16 17
>
> He misses the Ui Neill modal at every conceivable spot except for DYS 392=14
> and DYS 448=18. Yet he's M222+ and Irish to boot.
>
> I'm almost inclined to think these are only two markers you really need to
> match the Ui Neill modal/and/or test M222+.
>
> Or can anyone else come up with some other way of explaining the marker
> values in the M222+ list? Is it wrong to look at these as acceptable
> variations at specific markers within the Ui Neill cluster?
>
>
>
> M222+ results
>
> DYS 393 = 13 (modal = 13)
> DYS 390 = 24-26 (modal = 25)
> DYS 19 = 14-15 (modal = 14)
> DYS 391 = 10-11 (modal = 11)
> DYS 38ba = 11 (modal = 11)
> DYS 385b = 13-14 (modal = 13)
> DYS 426 = 12-13 (modal = 12)
> DYS 388 = 12 (modal = 12)
> DYS 439 = 11-13 (modal = 12)
> DYS 389-1 = 13-14 (modal = 13)
> DYS 392 = 14-15 (modal = 14)
> DYS 389-2 = 29-31 (modal = 29)
> DYS 458 = 16-19 (modal = 17)
> DYS 459a = 9-10 (modal = 9)
> DYS 459b = 9-10 (modal = 10)
> DYS 455 = 10-11 (modal = 11)
> DYS 454 = 11 (modal = 11)
> DYS 447 = 23-25 (modal = 25)
> DYS 437 = 14-16 (modal = 15)
> DYS 448 = 18 (modal = 18)
> DYS 449 = 27-32 (modal = 30)
> DYS 464a = 14-16 (modal = 15)
> DYS 464b = 15-16 (modal = 16)
> DYS 464c = 16-17 (modal = 16)
> DYS 464d = 16-17 (modal = 17)
>
> Ui Neill or NW Irish modal (key markers)
>
> DYS 390 = 24-26 (modal = 25)
> DYS 38ba = 11 (modal = 11)
> DYS 385b = 13-14 (modal = 13)
> DYS 392 = 14-15 (modal = 14)
> DYS 389-2 = 29-31 (modal = 29)
> DYS 448 = 18 (modal = 18)
> DYS 449 = 27-32 (modal = 30)
> DYS 464a = 14-16 (modal = 15)
> DYS 464b = 15-16 (modal = 16)
> DYS 464c = 16-17 (modal = 16)
> DYS 464d = 16-17 (modal = 17)
>
>
>
> The reason I am asking is I have some McLaughlin DNA samples that seem to be
> Ui Neill but stretch the boundaries of the modal at some points. Some of
> the values differ more than the variations shown in the M222+ tables.
>
> As in this one, for example.
>
> 13 23 14 11 12 13 12 12 12 13 14 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 18 30 15 16 16 17
>
> DYS 390=23
> DYS 385ab= 12-13
>
> It matches the rest of the modal though. So is this Ui Neill DNA or not?
>
>
> John
>
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