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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] When is 25/26 not enough?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:38:37 -0600
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It is extremely unlikely that a new founder in R1b will have any specific
(large N marker) haplotype. But there is certainly a most likely haplotype
if one were drawing out of a hat. Because of the linkages or correlations
in the total R1b population, it may not be exactly the modal Atlantic R1b,
but it is probably pretty close.

If you specify a 67 marker haplotype ahead of time and even choose something
close to a modal haplotype, there is a decent chance there will be none in
our present databases of their limited size. But that will be even more
true of a specific 67 marker haplotype chosen far from a modal peak.
Greatly enlarge the database and the sampling in haplotype space (which has
an incredible number of possibilities for large N haplotypes) gets more and
more thorough.

That is why I tell people to not put all their markers into a database
search engine if they are looking for exact matches. Use a truncated
haplotype with just the key marker values.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim T" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] When is 25/26 not enough?

> John Chandler wrote:
>>Don't forget that the mode is, after all, the most
>>common haplotype >and the single most likely haplotype
>>of a new subclade's founder.
> That isn't true. The mode isn't the most common haplotype. If
> you look at R1b's in Ysearch, there is no one who exactly
> matches the R1b modal haplotype. On the other hand, there are
> many people who have exact matches on non-modal haplotypes. If
> some living R1b is currently founding a new subclade, it is
> extremely unlikely that he has the R1b modal haplotype.
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