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From: "John Ozment" <>
Subject: [DNA] Isles S21+ ?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:10:54 -0700


Is there any reason to suppose that SNP S21+
could not be so-called indiginous to England?

Earlier, I cited examples of great congruence in
haplotype among the Wells / Welles test group
and my Ozment test group (40 / 43; 41 / 43) over
at Relative Genetics.

At FTDNA, Nolan is 33 / 37 with Ozment.
Nolan came to Liverpool via Ireland.

Welles seems to have a locus around NE England (Lincolnshire),
as well as in Worcestershire.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/genealgy/fam00002/fam00002.html

http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/genealgy/gen00001.html
"Adam de Welles b: Cir 1260 m: Joan Engraine of Lincolnshire - 1st Baron de
Welles"

http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/genealgy/fam00003/jameswel.html
One of the Wells lines was even in Baltimore Co., Maryland, before 1681.

My Ozment line was in London in 1710 (probably by 1636)
and in Talbot Co. Maryland by 1713 (probably 1710) -- with
forays into Queen Anne's Co., MD. (Some IGI "evidence" suggests
that it came to London by way of Bedfordshire.)

The point -- there seems to be no obvious interconnection, except
with regard to the haplotypes. Orin Wells did not know the S21+ status
of Wells, if I understood him correctly, or perhaps he thought they were
not so.

Why would an Anglo-Frisian invader have such far-flung descendants as
folks in Ireland, Liverpool, Lincolnshire, Worcestershire, and London?

Was he, in fact, an Anglo-Frisian invader?

Could not S21+ have come in various waves to England, along with
F*, J2, E3b, G, and whatever else that varies from the majority
haplogroups?

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In watching "David Copperfield" (1935), I noted the pathway's milestone
as shown that indicated that Dover was (only) 72 miles from London.

In thinking about the distance involved ...

.... were a Jute coming from Kent --
or a Frisian coming from Kent
[ but of the earlier 250 A.D. migration (due to Frisian flooding) ] --
to have made the migration to London, it was not such a
formidable trek, in terms of mere distance involved.

How likely is it that S21+ in London would be an actual Frisian?

Ozment is not part of the fluxus diagram's so-called Frisian cluster,
however. But then too, I'm not sure how this nomenclature was originally
adopted for those so classified.

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John Ozment
y-R1b1c9* / mt-U5b
[ also, mt-J*; R1b1*; I1a; I1c (I1b2a-Cont.) ]
and of revolutionary native colonial stock (US)


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