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Subject: Re: [DNA] Roman genetic footprints
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:03:51 -0400 (EDT)
You have to marry to have progeny? Soldiers, sailors and vagabonds
everywhere, everytime, have left their DNA whereever they went. It's the
history of the world, like it or not. That alone probably explains some of
the unexplainable DNA findings. We cannot apply our values to other times
and peoples. EGT
>> >> > Although the Romans ruled from AD 43 until 410, they left a tiny
>> genetic footprint. For the first 200 years occupying
>> >> > forces were forbidden from marrying locally.
> Sorry, but what is the factual basis for this statement? (I think that
> you must be quoting Sykes?) There were 5,500 Sarmatian cavalry ALONE,
> and that was only ONE out of hundreds of alia and cohors stationed to
> the British Isles over 300 years' time. Only 500 Sarmatians have been
> accounted for, leaving 5,000 cavalry unaccounted. See
> www.roman-britain.org for detailed lists of military units found in
> Britain during the Roman period. (No individual names, sorry!)
> Among Thracian and Dacian units alone, there were at least 20 "cohors"
> of (nominally) 1,000 men each (really more like 800 typically). All
> would have been E3b, since all of these units were recruited from the
> Balkans and the Carpathians near and south of the lower Danube. Then
> there were all the Pannonian and Spanish units, and of course there
> were just plain Roman Legionnaires. They lived, died and retired there
> for three centuries.
> There are military diplomata from the first and second centuries that
> detail the retirements of dozens of units (for example the Malpas
> diploma found in the British Museum, which lists 14 seperate units
> retiring simultaneously. They AND their families and descendants were
> granted citizenship and land upon retirement. Many of the men had
> "local" wives. Even if their wives were from their own lands of
> origin, they would have remained and raised their families in Britain.
> Their descendants would have lived on in Britain too. See the grave
> marker of Longinus Sdapeze (stating that "his heirs had this done") now
> in the Colchester Museum. Clearly, he had descendants.
> There is ample archaelogical evidence to show that the Roman British
> lived alongside the Anglo-Saxons in some parts of Britain (for example,
> Saffron Walden, Essex) until the 7th century, well after the A-S
> invasion. The Roman villas were INTACT at this late date. So they
> weren't necessarily killed or driven out by the invaders. Sometimes,
> they just blended in.
>> >> Uh, is this G? Professor Sykes is awarding haplogroup G to the
> Probably the Sarmatians, who were haplogroup G (they were from the
> region corresponding to the modern Republic of Georgia).
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