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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celts descended from Spanish fishermen, study finds
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:55:08 -0600
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One news release says the Celts came from an Iberian tribe. Oppenheimer
says (probably correctly) that people moved up from Iberia (not necessarily
Basques) before the Celts to populate the British Isles. The two stories
seem hardly consistent.

So what is new here? I think the vast majority of the people on this list
who have been looking at the R1b, in particular, have seen the close
connection between Iberian and British Isles indigenous R1b, with the
scenario being that Iberians moved up the Atlantic coast after the LGM to
populate France and the British Isles and even probably more of western
Europe (but not necessarily identifying these ancient Iberians with the
Basques as Oppenheimer or the reviewer seem to do). The first stories I
remember reading when I joined this list in early 2004 were about "Atlantic
R1b" spread from Iberia to British Isles. That type of R1b received its
name for that apparent geographical property even earlier by Dr. Wilson.

That the Britons were speaking some form of Germanic English before the
Romans came surely is a novel theory, at least I had never heard it before.
I'll be following that one closely in coming months. There may even be a
candidate type of I1a which fits that theory. We certainly find types of
old I1b = I1b1 and old I1c = I1b2a1 that do.

But none of this supports the story that I1a came up from Franco-Iberia to
repopulate northwestern Europe after the LGM. That notion seems to have
come from the Rootsi et al paper of 2004 and which had only a handful of
French I1a haplotypes, and even less from Germany, the heartland of I1a.

Ken




----- Original Message -----
From: "Havelock Vetinari" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Celts descended from Spanish fishermen, study finds


> But it seems that Stephen Oppenheimer agrees with him:
>
> http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7817
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Origins-British-Genetic-Detective-Story/dp/1845291581/ref=pd_sbs_b_2/202-7190144-3947064?ie=UTF8
>
>
> On 9/21/06, Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:
>> I think it best to ignore almost anything Sykes puts out. He is a
>> media-oriented sensationalist.
>
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