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From: "Steven Bird" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Roman genetic footprints
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:26:34 -0400
Yes, that is a possible scenario! The problem arises in defining the
sub-group "Dacians." I suspect that there were several tribes associated
with this culture, probably from several genetic sources. Still, it seems
to be clear that there were substantial E3b's among the Dacians, since at
least some of them were descended from the Getai, who were definitely
members of the Thracian language group.
As the northernmost territory in the Thracian sphere of influence, the Getai
were subject to many incursions by other ethnic groups, including the
Cimmerians/Sarmatians, the Celts, and the Skythians. The province of Dacia
was hotly contested throughout the Roman era, with the portion north of the
Danube eventually abandoned by the Empire as too difficult to control.
>From: "Lawrence Mayka" <>
>Subject: Re: [DNA] Roman genetic footprints
>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:39:38 -0500
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of Steven Bird
> > It is equally likely that DMAVZ's ancestry got to the Czech
> > republic from
> > the Black Sea/Carpatho-Danubian region, which is not that far
> > away. Enter
> > "Vlachs" in Google for the story of that diaspora.
>OK, I think I understand your hypothesis now. You are suggesting that:
>1) Dacians recruited by the Roman Empire to serve in England might have
>loosely referred to as Sarmatians. These would *not* have been genetically
>close to the 'classic' Iranian-speaking Sarmatians from whom the Alans (and
>eventually modern Alania) descend.
>2) After the fall of the Roman Empire, Dacians dispersed somewhat
>southeastern and central-eastern Europe, and were then referred to as
>3) DMAVZ and his related Englishmen (including ZENKY) are all of ancient
>Dacian ancestry, referred to as either Sarmatian or Vlach depending on the
>location of resettlement.
>You can see the possibility for confusion. Dacian expatriates (whether
>referred to as Sarmatians or Vlachs) are more likely to be I1b, J2, R1a,
>R1b, or possibly E3b. Alans (whether referred to as Sarmatians or not) are
>more likely to be G or J2.
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