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From: "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplogroup J2 origins
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:52:22 -0700
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John,

> John Cartmell wrote:

>On 28 Sep, Alfred A. Aburto Jr. <> wrote:
>
>
>>My own personal conclusion from this is that the J2a origin lies
>>somewhere in the areas of Georgia, Armenia, & Azerbaijan and it spread
>>directly westword from there and also to the southeast from there. There
>>is a big valley through the mountains from there toward the middle
>>(plains) of Turkey.
>>
>>
>
>Go back to the map. Rub out the Black Sea (it wasn't there then). Put the J2a
>origin in the middle of where the Black Sea was incorrectly shown. Now draw
>the arrows for its distribution away from that centre.
>
>Does that make sense? ;-)
>
>Now think why (and when) the people there were forced to move and why the
>distribution was in all directions.
>
>A. Flood.
>
>

The Black Sea formed millions of years ago during the Miocene. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea .
The Black Sea was pretty much as it is today when humans first went
there. Both the Black & Caspian Seas formed millions of years ago when
the mountains rose up in that vast surrounding area (when the ancient
continents crushed together).

The J2a hot spot between the Black & Caspian Seas clearly stands alone
as a source. It might very well be that Anatolia (is this the hot spot
in the midlands of Turkey as shown in Sengupta's Figure 3??) is the
orginal source and the descendants of the founder went east to the area
between the Black & Caspian Seas (just north of Iran) and west to that
spot north of the Sea of Marmara. There they stayed and formed the 3
main hot spots one sees in Sengupta's Figure 3. There are various
scenarios. As Sengupta says, much more work is needed in those areas to
work out the details.

Another thought: I wonder if the term "Sea Peoples" meant people from
the Black Sea areas (instead people from the Mediterranean Sea areas)?
Al

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