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From: "Jackson Montgomery-Devoni" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Paleolithic or Neolithic mtDNA?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:51:06 -0400
In-Reply-To: <001101c6e338$f2adada0$0202a8c0@IanLogan>


Hi Ian,


Thank you for answering this. Well don't most sources say that most European
mtDNA has been present in Europe since Upper Paleolithic times? By this I
mean before the advance of farming into Europe. I am paticularly interested
in haplogroup U5a since that is my mtDNA haplogroup. U5 seems to be quite
ancient in Europe correct? Cheddar man was U5a and that seems to be evidence
of U5a in Europe or at least Britain before the Neolithic farmers got there
right?


Thanks,
Jackson


>From: "Ian & Mary Logan" <>
>Reply-To:
>To: <>
>Subject: Re: [DNA] Paleolithic or Neolithic mtDNA?
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:01:48 +0100
>
>Jackson
>
>I do not see anyone answering this - so just a few comments.
>
>All the present-day haplogroups belong to the survivors of the Neolithic
>peoples - so in that sense there are no haplogroups that have been
>in Europe since Neolithic times.
>
>But I guess what you mean is, 'what can we infer' ?
>
>Well, I suggest the best place to look is in Kivisild's diagrams in:-
>
>Kivisild T, Shen P, Wall DP, Do B, Sung R, Davis K, Passarino G,
>Underhill PA, Scharfe C, Torroni A, Scozzari R, Modiano D,
>Coppa A, de Knijff P, Feldman M, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Oefner PJ.
>The role of selection in the evolution of human mitochondrial genomes.
>Genetics. 2006 Jan;172(1):373-87.
>
>This paper is a Free download and gives rough dates against key points.
>
>So, the Haplogroup H is considered to be present from 9,000 years ago,
>and Haplogroup U is perhaps 45,000 years old.
>Interestingly the 'N* point' is put at 48,000 years.
>
>Perhaps other people would want the H back a bit further (nearer to 15,000
>perhaps),
>and I would think the 'N* point' could be a lot further back !
>
>Any questions ?
>
>Ian
>
>www.brookingsociety.org.uk/mtdna.htm
>
>................

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