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From: "Ian & Mary Logan" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Paleolithic or Neolithic mtDNA?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +0100
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Jackson wrote:
Ok well by whatever methods are used it seems to show that U5 and U5a have
been in Europe for quite a long time clearly pre dating agriculture in
Europe. According to National Genographic the U5 lineages show the highest
diversity in Scandinavia and may be the oldest there. Scandinavia may be a
source for some populations bot not all I believe. They must have over
wintered somewhere in Southern Europe guring the ice age and then spread out
to Scandinavia and other parts of Northern Europe afterwards.

What I am getting at here is I would like to try and find out which ice age
refuge in Europe U5a would have came from. Iberia?, Italy? the Balkans?,
Ukraine? or? Iberia to me would make some good sense since it is closer than
any of the other refuge areas to Britain and Cheddar man from England who
was a hunter-gatherer is U5a. A reply to this would be appreciated.
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Hello Jackson

If Haplogroup U5a started back 20,000 years ago, I would have thought
we were dealing with people in the Middle East and other parts of Western Asia.

I am no expert but I don't think the 'ice age' comes into play for quite a long
time afterwards. I would tend to follow the idea that people of Haplogroups
J, T, U, K came into Europe, by a Northern route, around the Black Sea
after the last ice age. Whilst the H's were possibly more Southern peoples.

I cannot say I go for the idea of 'refuges', by which I understand to mean that
people were in a particular area, and were pushed south by the ice,
only to spread back again afterwards.

I am sure others will be able to say more about this.

Ian


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