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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Paleolithic or Neolithic mtDNA?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-F37CEFF99BAE856BAEBC98DA180@phx.gbl>


Oh yes. One last thing. I am busy reading the paper
on haplogroup H in that Ann just posted about to the
list. But in it, the origin of haplogroup V is again
postulated to be pre-LGM and in southwestern Europe.
The aDNA evidence indicates that this point of origin
is very likely incorrect. Yes, V is found in very
high frequency today among Basque and in great
diversity, but was absent among ancient Basque and
ancient Iberian groups right through the Neolithic
era.

Ellen Coffman

--- Jackson Montgomery-Devoni
<> wrote:

> HI Ian,
>
>
> Interesting but I do disagree. To me from the papers
> and sources I have read
> it seems to show that certain groups were in Europe
> prior to the ice age and
> other groups came later with farming. To me it seems
> that U5, certain
> subclades of H, and V were in Europe prior to the
> last ice age and then
> developed it situ. Afterwards they spread out to
> occupy Northern Europe.
> Haplogroups like J and T seem to have come later
> from the Near East with
> agriculture.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jackson
>
> >Hello Jackson
> >
> >If Haplogroup U5a started back 20,000 years ago, I
> would have thought
> >we were dealing with people in the Middle East and
> other parts of Western
> >Asia.
> >
> >I am no expert but I don't think the 'ice age'
> comes into play for quite a
> >long
> >time afterwards. I would tend to follow the idea
> that people of Haplogroups
> >J, T, U, K came into Europe, by a Northern route,
> around the Black Sea
> >after the last ice age. Whilst the H's were
> possibly more Southern peoples.
> >
> >I cannot say I go for the idea of 'refuges', by
> which I understand to mean
> >that
> >people were in a particular area, and were pushed
> south by the ice,
> >only to spread back again afterwards.
> >
> >I am sure others will be able to say more about
> this.
> >
> >Ian
> >
> >
> >
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