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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c4=R1b-NS Variety ?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:13:55 -0600
References: <000101c6e737$93e60260$3601a8c0@VAIO1>


If the motif DYS437,448,H4 = 14,18,10 can be associated with M153+ we have a
robust clade which though strong in Iberia is also well represented up the
coast into France, Netherlands, Germany, and across the Channel into British
Isles. I just plowed through 29 haplotypes in Ymatch with indicated M153-
result and not one filled the motif I just mentioned. I have a little more
of Ymatch to go to finish this check.

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wilson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c4=R1b-NS Variety ?


> This was the state of knowledge in early 2005--Ancestry was summarizing
> the
> literature, but the same numbers had appeared on the list previously,
> though
> perhaps not all in one posting. Notice there are no R1b1c7, which hadn't
> yet
> been associated with a particular SNP, nor S21,S28,S26,S29 . These stats
> come from places like Underhill 2000 and some of the initial Iberian
> studies. Was it Brion? I can't remember off the top of my head.
>
> It was always the case that M153 and M167 (SRY2627) were known as
> subclades
> with some penetration in the total R1b population. That is, they may each
> make up only one percent or so of total R1b, but they were at least better
> represented than what we often call "private" SNPs.
>
> David Wilson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Ken Nordtvedt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:34 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c4=R1b-NS Variety ?
>
> Was this Ethnoancestry's summary of the literature, or are these counts
> representative of their own measurements?
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Scott" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c4=R1b-NS Variety ?
>
>
>> David and Ken,
>>
>> According to EA's "Summary Overview of Haplogroup R1b1c (M269)," the
>> numbers observed for the following SNPs are reported:
>>
>> M37 = 2 (Australian)
>> M65 = 2 (Basque)
>> M126 = 1 (European)
>> M153 = 7 (Basque)
>> " = 1 (Andalusian)
>> M160 = 3 (European)
>> SRY2627 = 5 (Basque)
>> " = 1 (France)
>> " = 1 (Britain)
>> " = 1 (Germany)
>> " = 5 (Catalan)
>> " = 1 (Andalusian)
>>
>> I hope this revelation is not an infringement; if so, I sincerely
>> apologize. Perhaps, the haplotypes are also available from EA for
>> research.
>>
>> Ron Scott
>>
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