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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: [DNA] R1b1c4, M153+ in Europe?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:15:18 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wilson" <>

> Among the known Iberian SNPs, there is one found in Basque populations at
> the five to seven percent level and virtually nowhere else: M153. As yet
> there are no M153 hits (=R1b1c4) in the table John McEwan is keeping.
>
> I would strongly encourage anyone with the motif Ken has noticed to get
> the
> FTDNA deep clade test or the full boat from EA. Feels to me like this
> could
> be another motif that will get its own clade label.


In SMGF the R1b with 437,448,H4 = 14,18,10(FTDNA) represents about 2 percent
of all R1b in database

Pedigree hits were

Iberia plus former colonies 19
British Isles 24
Germany 4
Sweden 2
Russia 1
Italy 1

plus USA, Australia, Canada Above counts can be converted to frequencies
with SMGF's published total country counts.

One apparent confirmed R1b1c4 with the 14,18 at 437,448 and Spanish surname
appears in New Mexico project. Haplotypes of this motif show up at decent
rates in just about every Iberian-connected database

Ken


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