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From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Galloway-NW Irish
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:38:51 -0300
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The Attacotti only appear briefly in 4-5 century
sources and the references are few. One asks
how you get these people pop up and go away
like this and be considered separate from the
other known people of the area? Rance
proposed that they were actually Irish invaders
(ie. Deisi) who pop up at that time. He equates
Attacotti as being the Latin rendition of the
Old Irish aithechthuatha which were client/vassal
people which the Deisi were one. I suggest you
read this as the case presented was quite good.
FYI, Rance is a Professor in antiquities and
Moffat and Kamm are writers.

Best wishes!

Peter



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Subject: Re: [DNA] Galloway-NW Irish


>
> Hi Peter
>
> ~ Actually I believe current thinking leans towards the
> Attacotti being Irish. I've read Phillip Rance's article
> on them in Brittania (2001) and believe he makes a
> very good case with it. ~
>
>
> I haven't read Phillip Rance's article, but if Antony Kamn's book The
> Last
> Frontier: The Roman Invasions of Scotland (2004) and Alistair Moffat's
> Before
> Scotland: The Story of Scotland Before History (2005), can still be
> considered current, both suggest the Attacotti came from the Western
> Isles.
>
> I'm not sure how Kamn and Moffat came to this view and what evidence
> supports the claim. It is nonetheless interesting to note the Attacotti
> served in
> the Roman Army with four companies attested in an early fifth-century
> inventory
> of military establishments and units. This suggests the Attacotti might
> well
> have come to some kind of peaceful agreement with the Roman Empire. I'll
> try
> and obtain a copy of journal 32 (2001).
>
> I'm interested to learn more able the Attacotti as they appear along side
> the Picts and Scots fighting the northern Britons. Whatever their origins,
> this
> 'race of warlike men', played a role in the goings-on of the north
> Irish-Scots seafaring routes. I wonder, did they leave a DNA trail? And
> what became of
> them?
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
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