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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:06:45 -0700
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If a certain lab would get me some measurements on a key dna sample I
submitted a month ago, I could say more. But most British (old) I1c is of
the continental variety which is centered in Netherlands, northwest Germany,
Denmark. A fancy theory is not needed to see the connection --- AngloSaxon
and Scandinavian immigrants.
It is 3 percent in Norway, closer to 5 percent in Denmark and similarly in
Netherlands. So those percentages of the historic invaders brought that to
Britain.

But Isles (old) I1c M284+ is quite present in Scotland and to lesser degree
in the rest of the British Isles. It is not found in continental northwest
Europe. But there is evidence that M284+ is present in Iberia. The
original M284+ haplotype found by a university lab came from there. I'm
trying to make that Iberian/Scot connection more clear. Stay tuned.

But then there is Roots old I1c with 19-19 at YCAIIa,b. It has the
southwestern Europe flavor to it. I'll have to review the data to see how
much is found in northern Europe.

P78+ old I1c has a distinctly Eastern Europe flavor to it.

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackson Montgomery-Devoni" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums



It makes sense that I1c spread out from Iberia since it is still seen there
to a degree today and it is also found a appreciable frequencies in Britian.
Is old I1c the clade that is centered today in Britian?



Jackson

>From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
>Reply-To:
>To: <>
>Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
>Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:34:59 -0700
>
>I should have added that old I1c seems to have a better chance of spreading
>north from Iberia than I1a. old I1c is more fractured into geographically
>distinct varieties than is I1a. And since the discovery of SNP S31, old
>I1c
>is in some sense closer to old I1b than is I1a which branched off from the
>others prior to the separation of old I1b and old I1c. Roots old I1c
>variety has some perceptible southern tendencies in Europe (Italy, Iberia).
>
>Ken
>

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