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From: "Jackson Montgomery-Devoni" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:36:52 -0500
In-Reply-To: <006f01c6fe02$056d80d0$6400a8c0@Ken1>


Interesting findings. I will stay tuned.



Jackson


>From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
>Reply-To:
>To: <>
>Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
>Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:06:45 -0700
>
>If a certain lab would get me some measurements on a key dna sample I
>submitted a month ago, I could say more. But most British (old) I1c is of
>the continental variety which is centered in Netherlands, northwest
>Germany,
>Denmark. A fancy theory is not needed to see the connection --- AngloSaxon
>and Scandinavian immigrants.
>It is 3 percent in Norway, closer to 5 percent in Denmark and similarly in
>Netherlands. So those percentages of the historic invaders brought that to
>Britain.
>
>But Isles (old) I1c M284+ is quite present in Scotland and to lesser degree
>in the rest of the British Isles. It is not found in continental northwest
>Europe. But there is evidence that M284+ is present in Iberia. The
>original M284+ haplotype found by a university lab came from there. I'm
>trying to make that Iberian/Scot connection more clear. Stay tuned.
>
>But then there is Roots old I1c with 19-19 at YCAIIa,b. It has the
>southwestern Europe flavor to it. I'll have to review the data to see how
>much is found in northern Europe.
>
>P78+ old I1c has a distinctly Eastern Europe flavor to it.
>
>Ken
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jackson Montgomery-Devoni" <>
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>Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
>
>
>
>It makes sense that I1c spread out from Iberia since it is still seen there
>to a degree today and it is also found a appreciable frequencies in
>Britian.
>Is old I1c the clade that is centered today in Britian?
>
>
>
>Jackson
>
> >From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> >Reply-To:
> >To: <>
> >Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
> >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:34:59 -0700
> >
> >I should have added that old I1c seems to have a better chance of
>spreading
> >north from Iberia than I1a. old I1c is more fractured into
>geographically
> >distinct varieties than is I1a. And since the discovery of SNP S31, old
> >I1c
> >is in some sense closer to old I1b than is I1a which branched off from
>the
> >others prior to the separation of old I1b and old I1c. Roots old I1c
> >variety has some perceptible southern tendencies in Europe (Italy,
>Iberia).
> >
> >Ken
> >
>
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