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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:13:32 -0700
References: <BAY122-F19AA4C54C3E18CC812F02ADAF80@phx.gbl><000b01c6fe07$cdff61d0$6400a8c0@Ken1> <45492D42.7060704@jarman.net><003401c6fe11$48ddc370$6400a8c0@Ken1><454936F6.4010403@jarman.net>


I can't think of any which exactly fit your bill. Maybe (old) I1(x) = (new)
I1b2* (M223- but S23+) Problem is we hardly have any data from southern
Germany which is in between.


----- Original Message -----
From: "John German" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums


> Are any other haplogroups found in Italy and north Germany but rare in
> between - and elsewhere?
>
> Ken Nordtvedt wrote:
>
>> I recall at least two folks from Italy stating S21+ status. Whether they
>> are long-time lines of Italian peninsula, or Lombards, Goths, Vandals,
>> Normans, or other immigrants from the north is anyone's guess at this
>> point.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John German" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
>>
>>
>>
>>>Is the Italian S21+ now a genuine phenomenon or is it still just a
>>>random happenstance?
>>>
>>>Ken Nordtvedt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I believe S21+ R1b is 75 percent of R1b in certain areas of greater
>>>>Frisia.
>>>>But R1b is only a certain fraction of total population.
>>>>
>>>>>From the pie charts I see for Netherlands and Denmark, S21+ R1b and
>>>>
>>>>>I1a/I1c
>>>>
>>>>would be close competitors for numero uno.
>>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Jackson Montgomery-Devoni" <>
>>>>To: <>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:40 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [DNA] Ice age refugiums
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ken,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you by any chance happen to know which haplogroup was probably the
>>>>most
>>>>dominant among the Anglo-Saxons? Was it I1a?, R1b1c9 S21+ or? I am
>>>>thinking
>>>>probabaly R1b1c9 S21+ since it is found in Friesland today at levels
>>>>around
>>>>75%.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jackson
>>>>
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