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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not.
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:21:19 -0700
References: <042401c6fe97$5ce8b830$6401a8c0@Precision360>

Because (old) I1b comes with three such different subclades within ---
Dinaric, Western, Isles --- any variance/age estimate based on using the
entire (old) I1b population will have lots of pseudo-variance produced by
the modal differences between these subclades. Actually, I find pure
Dinaric (old) I1b = new I1b1, and pure Western (old) I1b each having less
variance than AngloSaxon I1a.

The ratio of Dinaric versus Western versus Isles (old) I1b will certainly be
database-dependent.

Ken


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Mayka" <>

> That's the point. He calculates that J1, E3b, I1b, K2, and Q are 15K-23K
> years old, 2-3 times as old as R1b.

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• [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Andrew and Inge" <>
  • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Steven Bird" <>
    • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
      • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Jackson Montgomery-Devoni" <>
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    • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
  • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "R. & G. Stevens" <>
  • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
    • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Lawrence Mayka" <>

      • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>

        • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Lawrence Mayka" <>
          • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
      • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
        • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
          • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." <>
            • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
              • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
                • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
                  • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
                    • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
                      • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
                      • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by (John Chandler)
                        • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
          • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
        • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." <>
          • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
            • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
              • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
      • [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by "Belinda Dettmann" <>
        • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by (John Chandler)
          • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by "John McEwan" <>
            • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
              • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin': reply part 1 by "John McEwan" <>
                • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin': reply part 1 by (John Chandler)
            • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by (John Chandler)
              • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." <>
                • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
                • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by (John Chandler)
          • Re: [DNA] Molecular clocks: when times are a-changin' by Doug McDonald <>
      • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "John McEwan" <>
        • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
          • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "John McEwan" <>
        • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
          • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "John McEwan" <>
            • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
              • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "John McEwan" <>
  • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Sasson Margaliot" <>
    • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Jackson Montgomery-Devoni" <>
  • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by "Eric Olson" <>
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    • Re: [DNA] Neolithic J2 and E3b in Britain? Maybe not. by (John Chandler)
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