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From: Doug McDonald <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] colla uais DNA
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:18:13 -0600
Alan R wrote:
> As for the Norse Clan Donald DNA, I would still tend
> towards explaining that as a non-paternal event at
> some point that involved Norse genes being intruded
> into the chiefly line of a pre-existing (Airgialla?)
> clan. This is hard to prove but the Norse period
> surely saw a huge rise in such events if the
> stereotype is even partly true. Any such event was
> clearly fairly early as the gene is shared by
> McAllisters, McDougals and McDonnells.
Where is the evidence for sharing with MacDougals? I can;t
find any real evidence. Just Sykes's work ...which isn't
based on very good evidence ... in his book.
> IMO, unlike the McLeods etc, their Norse element may
> have been an unknown (even at the time)genetic
> intrusion into the chiefly line and that it is lack of
> knowledge (even at the time) of this intrusion rather
> than genealogical fakery that explains why a Norse
> element is not acknowledged.
The problem with this is the name of the titular progenitor:
Somerled, which is Norse.
> What are the main non-R1a clades of the
> Clann Donald and are they known in Ireland? Even if
> they are rare in Ireland, this does not rule out
> anything as some lineages such as Maguiness, McCartan
> etc did have unusual genes.
You can see all our data on our web site
We have a very large group that matches the "Niall"
DNA (our "green" group). The other groups on the web site
are chosen (by me) based on computer clustering algorithms
as well as name groups.