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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS487=13 in I1a and new SNPs
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:00:29 -0700
References: <000a01c70c4a$7d0548c0$6400a8c0@Ken1><132b01c70c52$192fc0c0$0e02a8c0@YOURF8387228BF>


I did not mean your "Goff" haplotype in Ysearch; the AS9 seems to be the guy
from Elverum, Norway. He should have an 18 at 463 (20 SMGF convention)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Goff" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS487=13 in I1a and new SNPs


> Ken,
>
> I'm interested to see how this turns out since particularly I believe my
> haplotype is a mutation from your DYS19=15. I'm seeing divergent DYS487
> results within my basic haplotype (19=16, 390=22, 462=12):
>
> N24359 in the FTDNA I1a project: DYS487=12
> G9TUA in ysearch: DYS487=13
>
> I'll wait to see your results, but am willing to be a test subject in the
> future if you think there's benefit. Thanks,
>
> Phil Goff
> N24359 Elverum, Norway
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:20 PM
> Subject: [DNA] DYS487=13 in I1a and new SNPs
>
>
>> One of the new markers in the FTDNA 38-67 set is DYS487. Except for I1a
>> and I1b2* = old I1(x), this marker is robustly modal 13 throughout
>> haplogroup I, including the small number of haplotypes of haplogroup I
>> upstream of all the known subclades. I even saw a 67 marker haplogroup F
>> haplotype and it is 13 at DYS487.
>>
>> I1a is robustly modal 12 at DYS487. Only 22 out of 180 AngloSaxon I1a
>> (DYS462 = 12) are DYS487 = 13. And NONE of the Norse I1a deviate from
>> the
>> DYS487 = 12. Could most of those 22 I1a with DYS487=13 represent the
>> early roots of I1a?
>>
>> Ethnoancestry has five new SNPs which are in I1a. S62, S63, S64, S65,
>> S66
>>
>> I am having my own haplotype tested for these five SNPs; I'm one of the
>> 22
>> haplotypes in I1a with DYS487 = 13. If we are lucky one or more of these
>> six new SNPs will turn out ancestral for my haplotype, suggesting a new
>> root clade within I1a distinquished by one or more of these new SNPs.
>> I'll report back when results come in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken
>
>
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