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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] What is the Edmund Rice Y haplogroup given thisinformation?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:42:51 -0700
References: <000c01c71cad$0a64da10$cc98a53f@gatewaykt2xqcv><029b01c71cb9$189194f0$640fa8c0@Villandra2><020b01c71cc7$af3d0570$1c02a8c0@DC51YP91><00e401c7213f$c4ae9320$640fa8c0@Villandra2>


I1a-Norse as indicated by the 23 at 390 plus 14-14 at 385 and other marker
values consistent with I1a


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From: "Dora Smith" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: [DNA] What is the Edmund Rice Y haplogroup given this information?


> The article below gives very detailed information about Edmund Rice's
> haplotype, but never gives his Y haplogroup.
>
> http://www.edmund-rice.org/newsletters/vol_76_1_winter_2002.htm#t3
>
> As it stands now the Edmund Rice Haplotype is:
>
>
> LOCUS #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 #12
> DYS# 393 390 19 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389i 392 389ii
> ERA 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28
>
>
> Following is an analysis of where people ahve been found to have the same
> haplotype. In the first database, "In December, there were 13 exact
> matches
> to the consensus Rice haplotype (which itself had not yet been added to
> the
> database). The matches originated in Iceland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,
> Greenland (Eskimo), Russia (Siberian), and Unknown. In the intervening
> two
> months, the Rice haplotype (marked as England) has been added to the
> database, the Greenlander has either been removed or relabeled as Unknown,
> and two other Unknowns have appeared".
>
> In the second database, "
> These are distributed a bit more widely, but there is still a noticeable
> Scandinavian trend, as more than half of all the matches were found in
> Norway and Sweden. Indeed, about 4% of all the Norwegians tested and about
> 4% of all the Swedes carry the nine-marker subset of the Rice haplotype,
> too. "
>
> All they have to say about this is that we CANNOT conclude that Edmund
> Rice's direct paternal ancestor was a Viking. No. Nada. Ne. Nej.
> Neinn. Aldri. Never. Absolutely not! Y'all hear, now! (Edmund
> Rice
> was a member of the bipolar subspecies. He gathered about him a flock of
> close associates and spouses of his children, who also belonged to the
> bipolar subspecies, and this flock flew across Massachusetts founding
> towns,
> and married mostly each other for more than two centuries. Grin.)
>
> What is the haplogroup of Edmund Rice?
>
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
>
>
>
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