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Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:00:09 EST
John, just back from visiting my parents in NI. I made my last reply whilst
on my father's computer. I am trying to encourage him to take an interest in
the DNA studies, but I'm not sure he is. I'm heading off to Ayrshire for New
Year and will not be back until 2/1/07. Can I wish you and everyone else a
Happy New Year in the meantime. Alan
In a message dated 27/12/2006 20:07:22 GMT Standard Time,
writes:
In a message dated 12/27/2006 1:50:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:
For example, it is generally accepted, that between 10th and
11th century, the Norse-Irish or Gaelgall made significant gains in the
southwest of Scotland, and their legacy survives both in place-names and I
suspect
DNA. But who were the Gaelgall?
That's the $10,000,000 question. Who were the Gaelgall? Most say, as
their name implies, Norse-Gael hybrids. But is there any reason to suspect
they
were NW Irish? I was looking at the Border Reiver site the other day and
many of the NW Irish names in lowland Scotland appear there.
The author seems to be depending mainly on 12 marker tests and the YHRD
database.
_http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/_
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/)
Elliott With "Ui Niall" DNA Signature
This is four steps removed from the Elliott Modal Haplotype, but is also
R1b.
And it is, if anything, even more indicative of a native British origin. The
highest match frequencies in the YHRD database fall in Ireland, England and
among European Americans in such places as Texas and Missouri. There are
several other matches in parts of Iberia, and one in Zeeland. Since samples
from
the British Isles are underrepresented in the YHRD database, these high
frequencies suggest that this haplotype has resided predominantly in the
British
Isles for a long time. It most likely arrived with the prehistoric Iberians
who became the Picts and Brythonic Celts of Britain, and the Cruithne of
Northern Ireland.
(It is interesting to note that this haplotype is found among several
different families from The Borders, Dumfries & Galloway, and Cumbria,
including
Glenn, Jackson, Maxwell, Kennedy, Dunn, Wilson, Reade, Hetherington and
Salkeld. It does not appear to be predominantly associated with any of these
families, and may represent the case of a very old DNA signature local to
the
British Isles that predates the development of surnames. Further research in
Ysearch has yielded 12/12 matches with many Irish Gaelic surnames, and
Western
Scottish surnames with suspected Norse-Scottish or Norse-Gaelic origins -
e.g.,
McDowall, Logan, MacAulay, McLaughlin, MacDonald, Queen, or "MacQueen", and
McGlothlin from the Isle of Man. This haplotype can also be found in the
Icelandic data set of the Helgason paper, and occasionally occurs even in
Norway.
Although most likely native Celtic in origin, it may have been spread by
Norse-Gaelic expansion across the Irish Sea and beyond. It is worth noting
that
Kennedy, Hetherington, Salkeld - and to some extent Elliott and Wilson - are
thought by many to have Norse-Gaelic roots.)
E2M3Q and UDTR5 match on 12 out of 12 markers, and both claim to be able to
trace their roots back to Scotland.
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