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From: "Dan Draghici" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] TOP-10 Wish List for 2007
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:28:09 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
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Hi David,

Happy New Year!

Just a quick question for you. I am R1b1c9* after receiving the S21+ and
other three tests negative. Known recent ancestry in SW Romania to about
1810. I ordered the Oppenheimer test a few days ago, just in case, although
I do not expect any British or Irish roots. If that is the case, would the
test turn negative or I would simply not be placed in any group? Not sure
how the test works...

Many thanks,
Dan Draghici

-------Original Message-------

From: David Faux
Date: 01/01/07 11:18:34
To:
Subject: Re: [DNA] TOP-10 Wish List for 2007

Gary:

I am actually well beyond any desire to convince anyone to test for the
R1b S-series. There has been enough here to either tantalize people or
cause them to say well, interesting, but not worth pursuing. Of 5 Italians
tested, two are S28+ and three are S21+. That alone should be enough to
perk peoples ears up. About 75% of Frisian R1b is S21+ but there is almost
no S28+. It will take a couple of years to test every country. We will
continue to test our research samples or request that this be done by
colleagues of our geneticists in various countries. Frankly, since this
will be published if I provide any more of the research information I will
put at rish the acceptance of the work for publication. If people are
interested in participating in scientific research we have said all along
that if you have a proven link to a location in Europe where your ancestors
resided since time out of mind, then we actively encourage people to find
out their status on these
markers. We will eventually know if 20% of Calabria is S28+ but people
have the opportunity to advance science and work hand in hand with world
class population geneticists and learn about their own status on these
amazing markers. I am weary of the hard sell so people are going to see
little of it. Surely I have made my point. The one thing I cannot promise
is to find everyone positive on these markers. It will depend largely on
location - some places will show a majority of S21, in others S28 will
predominate, and elsewhere S21/S28 negative will compose the largest
percentage of the R1b. If people are interested they know where to reach us


David Faux.

Gary Felix <> wrote:


David Faux wrote: >I have posted so many descriptions of where each SNP is
found in Europe, and >what each means, and so on that I do feel that I have
used up my "alotted time >and space" on this List based on what would be
fair and reasonable. Many times I >have noted that S28 has been found in
Greece and so on and so on. We won't >know all the details people would like
until we publish a series of papers on the
>subject. If people wish to wait two years fine, or they get an early bird
opportunity. >I found out I was S28+ and have put together a plausible
history from the Danelaw >to Jutland to Central Europe using multiple data
sources. I am very glad I did not >need to wait two more years to have this
knowledge.

I understand that you are doing all you can to inform others about your
newly found snips. When I am asked why should I take the R1b S series snips
that FTDNA doesn't offer what can I say? That you will be able to find out
where your clan went to after they left Iberia. I haven't seen evidence that
these markers are likely an eastern Euro. variety of R1b. Is there such
evidence? I look to the EA website for the latest info. on these markers.

>If someone already knew they were going to be say M167 why bother testing?
My project members go to you for deeper snips that FTDNA doesn't offer. If
STR's tell them they are I1c they might try the subclades that FTDNA doesn't
offer like M284.

>There are no guarantees generally, only probabilities.
I understand that and most can deal with this. Such is life. We are ok given
probabilities as we make the decision to go further or not and we are the
ones responsible for this action.

>One tests to find out what the status is on each marker because it is an
unknown. >Sometime haplotype clusters point strongly to a marker being
positive and hence >the probability of finding something is higher. S21 and
S28 are found widely across >Europe, far more so than most other haplogroups
There was no way I could know >I was S28 - that is what the testing told me
- there was no indication from my >haplotype.
This is the research that is needed. Without the research behind these
markers most will not be willing to take the risk.

Gary
Mexico DNA Project Admin.


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