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From: "Lowe DNA" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] TOP-10 Wish List for 2007
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:03:16 -0600
In-Reply-To: <20070102184827.17228.qmail@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Larry....

I am Q* and stumped also... Perhaps 2007 will bring
some more SNP research so we can sort out the Asian, Europian,
and American Q's.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:]On Behalf Of Larry Vick
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:48 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [DNA] TOP-10 Wish List for 2007


David,

Is there something more we paragroup Q*s can do to try to better isolate our
British (and perhaps earlier Scandinavian) origins? The VICK paragroup Qs
have had a deep clade test with FTDNA (M242+ MEH2+ P36+ M120- M143- M19-
M194- M199- M25- M3-), and I have ordered the Oppenheimer test from EA. We
are willing to invest more, but we are stumped as to what the next step
should be.

Regards,

Larry


----- Original Message ----
From: David Faux <>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 10:50:36 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] TOP-10 Wish List for 2007


Gary:

Yes, in a way we are preaching to the choir - but the choir controls
access to the candles (sorry, it is the best analogy I can come up with 15
minutes after waking). Project administrators can be of immense assistance.
We have had amazing success with some admin who "get it" and realize what
going the extra distance can do to parse their surname group (especially
those with ancient ties to say Normandy), and great efforts by some of the
admin of the geographical projects. It is the latter who could benefit most
but ironically few have been able to convince members to for example explore
whether their R1b is likely Germanic invader (in the Danelaw we can get
specific and say Danish Viking for some) or more likely aboriginal "Celtic".
If I had not already done it for my Shetland Project I would just pay to
have the R1b members of the East Anglia project all tested (this being my
Y-line homeland). Would that monies were available to do what I would like.

As Gary knows I am obsessed with knowing whether the Suevi and Visigoths
left a genetic mark in Iberia. I think that the presence of S21 would tell
the tale when added to the information on I1a and other groups there.

Well, I have learned that you can bring a horse (participants) to water
but you can't make them drink. They hold the key to understanding a myriad
of interesting facts about the history of their region of origin and can
contribute to the advancement of science at the same time (since we plow the
monies back into further research).

There are now many haplogroup groups and it is here where one would expect
to see an attitude of "testing to the max". It hasn't happened yet.

Even if other companies can offer the same marker suites as EA does today,
the systematic searches over the next year will hopefully bring to light an
embarassment of riches which will only be made available to our customers
whose DNA is in London at the time. This will ensure consistency with a
larger company who only SNP tests their own customers. Right now we are the
SNP discovery people - that may well change if others join the hunt. Since
it is presently not an economically viable proposition (actually one is
guaranteed to lose money) we don't expect to have too much company. We have
had people stick with us from day one through thick and thin. Loyalty
deserves something in return. We are not selling widgits. It is time for
true customer appreciation (as shown in the Oppenheimer Test for example).

One hour and I am off to the land of dial up and so few if any postings.
I can hear clapping somewhere in the background :-)

Cheers all,

David.

Gary Felix <> wrote:


Ken Nordtvedt wrote: >>Negative [SNP] test results only serve to discourage
them [potential
>>customers?].
>> The hit and miss with SNP's is not the way to go without supporting data
>> and a lot more SNP's and a more reliable method of determining the
chances
>> of testing positive for these markers.

>Huh? I just bought 5 SNP tests, hoping I would be negative for at least one
>of them. I wasn't There information present in both negative and positive
>results.

>After an SNP is discovered, the early haplotypes involved in further
testing
>will be "hit or miss" in many cases. They are part of the process of
>mapping out what segments of which populations are downstream of the SNP.
>This will be done by either academics in research studies, by commercial
>labs seeking to see if the SNPs are of potential interest to customers, or
>by us non-professional genetic genealogy researchers seeking to understand
>specific ancient populations better Ken

Your preaching to the choir. We on this list are passionate about this new
field to one extent or another. I have tested all haplogroup "I" snips
available through EA and helped straighten out the I tree at the same time.

The average person would want enough information to see if there is enough
benefit to warrent the expense. This is normally a company's R and D's
responsibility but I like the way we have taken this into our own hands to
some extent.

Earlier David suggested everyone that is M223+ test for M284. M284 has been
known as a Isles marker for some time. Most of us would have thought there
was enough evidence that there was no need to test for this unless we had
Isles ancestry.

A couple of months ago while researching this document:
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg8hv2jm_3d8qnqz
which deals with the Suevi and Visigoth invasion's of Iberia and the
possible genetic markers they left.

I came across an article on the web concerning the Lombards being genetic
cousins of the Suevi that invaded NW Spain and N Portugal. I tried searching
for I1c in Italy but wasn't able to come up with enough samples to see if
any were 15 at 393 in any appreciable numbers. How many snip tests of
continental I1c with this Isles haplotype were done before a determination
was made that it was not found on the continent?

Incidentally, we should have a result on a M284 test taken by a project
member in a few days.

Gary
Mexico DNA Project Admin.




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