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From: "R. & G. Stevens" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Saxon DNA 3ky old - subclade
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:38:08 -0500
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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Saxon DNA 3ky old - subclade


> If it looks like an I1b2*, quacks like an I1b2*, smells like an I1b2*,
> unless we can do something about the limited situation, like test for more
> key markers or do some key SNP tests, it is probably most sensible to
> assume it is I1b2* rather than an extinct clade. It's not a fish out of
> water in any case, such as a native AMerican Q or Chinese O.
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The Lichtenstein Cave, where those remains were found, is in the Harz
Mountains. As far as I can tell, they (and the cave) lie squarely in old I1c
country, that little circle on Rootsi's old I1c distribution map in Figure 1
here:
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v75n1/41100/41100.html

Even there, however, in its apparent stronghold, I1b2 (old I1c), with a
range of 11-14%, is a minority y-haplogroup, outnumbered by I1a and R1b1c.

Perhaps even circa 1,000 B.C. I1b2* represented a smaller tribe interring
its dead in mountain caves rather than cremating them and burying them in
the urnfields common among the surrounding peoples.

Rich

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