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From: "Dan Draghici" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b's Three Main Varieties
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:28:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
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It is interesting about the 15 Hungarians. Are the names Hungarian? I
suspect some might be German, others Yidish/Jewish but related to German...
Just curious...

I am also from Romania, with Y-DNA roots in the SW part of that country, not
far from the triplex confinium between Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia. I
have DYS390=23, DYS392=15, DYS393=13 and am R1b1c9*. So far, just a tiny
spot in that area...

Dan Draghici

-------Original Message-------

From: Leo W. Little
Date: 01/21/07 13:09:22
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Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b's Three Main Varieties

The 70% correlation between DYS390=23 and DYS492=13 holds in the UK and
western Europe (the ancestral homelands for most of the FTDNA database).
There aren't enough 67-marker haplotypes to say for sure if the pattern
holds in southeastern Europe.

If the correlation turns out to be less in southeastern Europe, then
leakage from DYS390=24 could definitely be an issue.

The small hotspot in Romania is among Hungarian-speakers in Transylvania.

SMGF shows six participants with ancestry in Hungary or Transylvania with
DYS392=13 and DYS393=13 and DYS390=23 out of eight with just DYS392=13 and
DYS393=13 (and using other marker values to exclude possible I, J2, and K
leakage).

Even then, I agree a sample of 15 Hungarians doesn't give us much
confidence.

However, combining all the 13/13/23 haplotypes from southeast Europe gives
us a fairly adequate sample size, and does indicate a higher percentage than
I feel could be explained by German back-migration alone.

Whatever the source for S21, I would agree there was a secondary expansion
in northern Europe, and some of those S21s may also have migrated back to
the southeast.

In a crime scene, blood pools to the lowest level, which may not
necessarily be the origin. Blood spatters have a pattern that points back to
their source.






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