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From: "ERIC GOETHE" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] news article: Possible ROman descendants in China
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:06:38 -0500
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here is the uyghur pic again it doenst seem to show up-

http://www.dlib.org/dlib/february05/02featured-collection.html




On 2/6/07, ERIC GOETHE <> wrote:
>
> No sir, I did not mean that Uyghurs are linked to `I` haplogroup. I meant
> I dont think they are receiving R1B / A from the takla makan caucasians or
> other pre-mongol tocharian caucasians in what is now mongolia or china, as
> was suggested.
>
> There area of occupying is huge-
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Uyghur_Khaganate.png - Not specific
> in Takla Makan area
>
> from about 700ad here is there self portrait-
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Museum_f%C3%BCr_Indische_Kunst_Dahlem_Berlin_Mai_2006_063.jpg they shown
> as asian
>
> The tocharians are clearly not asian from a period a few hundred years
> before the Uyghur portrait above-
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:QizilDonors.jpg
>
> This isnt in any way proof that no uyghurs are related to any tocharians
> or europeans, but i think, back to the Liqian mattur, the Tocharians were
> not Uyghurs ancesters, as there own pictures of themselves show from that
> time. I doubt the Liqian people are descended paternally from either romans
> or tocharian europeans- I think they are mongol or hun descendants who have
> maternal Euro mtdna ancestry. This is probably from local
> european tocharian populations and those enslaved in europe and carted back
> to the steppes. Attila did die in bed with a german `princess`.
>
> I think these tocharians were wiped out by the mongols and huns who
> probably kept the women, and added to them from there western
> attacks, accounting for the caucasian appearance in this isolated
> population.
>
> My point about R vs. I is that R1b and especially R1a is commonly found in
> non-european populations not due to modern events. `I` may be in the
> caucasus, but caucusus is the root of `caucasian`. I am R1b, I am not
> dismissing it as being european- I wonder if the Ht35 variety though is what
> is being found in takla makan population, instead of th euro type.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/5/07, Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ERIC GOETHE" < >
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DNA] news article: Possible ROman descendants in China
> >
> >
> > >I dont know how true it is but I read someplace that only HG `i` is
> > > exclusive to europe. As far back as 700 a.d. below they appear
> > asiatic in
> > > there own pictures.
> >
> >
> > I don't believe HG I is exclusive to Europe. I found a Georgian from
> > the
> > Caucasus who is upstream I, maybe I1b* (actually I think he found me?)
> > There are a number of populations from the Caucasus area which have a
> > decent
> > percentage of y-haplogroup I. I wish I had extended haplotype versions
> > of
> > them as found in the databases.
> >
> > A Turkish ydna database shows some apparent upstream I haplotypes as
> > well as
> > the more common downstream haplotypes familar in Western Europe.
> >
> > I am curious about the connection between HG I and the pictures of
> > turkic
> > peoples from Central Asia implied by your message?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
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