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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: [DNA] Unusual I1a Clades and Kittler Tests
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:58:22 -0700


The Kittler test determines whether your DYS385 is high/low or low/high. In other words, if your two DYS385 copies have different number of repeats, it can tell you which copy goes with which absolute site in the ydna. DYS385 = 13-14 as conventionally reported by labs can actually be 13-14 or 14,13 which are two steps of mutation apart in reality.

Three clades of I1a seem borderline clades associated with the transition of I1a from "AngloSaxon" to "Norse" with 9,12 or 10,13 respectively at DYS511,462

I1a-T13, I1a-Bothnia, and I1a-ML? seem of particular interest for knowing the Kittler order to DYS385

Maybe you are in one of those clades and have had the Kittler order measurement? Is so, please let me know of your results.

If you are in one of these clades but have not done the Kittler measurement, perhaps you would consider it?

The test is performed in the new Houston lab at FTDNA by Dr Krahn.

See founders' spreadsheet of haplotypes at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net for the marker values which identify I1a-T13, I1a-Bothnia, and I1a-ML?

The vast majority of the AngloSaxon I1a who have tested Kittler order, for example, have found themselves high/low

Ken

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