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From: John Ritchings <>
Subject: [DNA] Southwest England 23/11/13/13 hotspot
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:33:10 +0000

Greetings Peter

I regret that I am neither an historian nor a geneticist, but I do live
in the South West of England. From what little I know about its
history I would suggest that your results will very much depend upon
how you have defined the "South West."

The locals define the "South West" as essentially what is now
Devonshire and Cornwall. The history of the peninsula can be quite
different from the surrounding counties of Dorset, Somerset and
Gloucestershire which some might also consider to be part of the South
West of England.

My understanding is that Anglo Saxons/Vikings did not come to the
peninsula in any large numbers until around 700 AD. As this dating is
particularly relevant to my own family history I would appreciate
knowledge of your reference for a Viking presence of the size you
suggest in this area. Is this solely within the Sykes book or is there
some other independent reference?

Many thanks


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:03:15 -0400
From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <>
Subject: [DNA] Southwest England 23/11/13/13 hotspot
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Last weekend I noted that based on Bryan
Sykes "Blood of the Isles" data southwest
England bettered Denmark and the Netherlands
in terms of 23/11/13/13 (DYS 390,391,392,393)
as a percentage of those sampled. Ken suggested
that it would not hold up as a percentage of
24/11/13/13. I thought I'd check on this and
can report that it does. South West England
returns 42/51 (82.35%).

Anyone want to have some theories for this.
Based on what I know I can't help but think
it relates to the period around 1200 BC
when the archaelogical records suggests
an invasion in southwest England/Wessex
area. I would think Viking but this does
not hold up in other northern parts of the
British Isles one would expect strong
23/11/13/13 due to Vikings.

Best wishes!

Peter A. Kincaid
Fredericton, NB, Canada

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