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From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Southwest England 23/11/13/13 hotspot
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 00:21:24 -0400
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Southwest England 23/11/13/13 hotspot

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <>
> . When I identified the bulge in
>> DYS390 = 23 R1b in Greater Frisia in June, 2004 I did not yet feel that
>> was
>> a variety with its own founder --- it was only a cline in Europe as
>> plotting
>> the percent of R1b by region on a map clearly shows. It was only after
>> overwhelming statistics at DYS447 and H4 and DYS464 which differed from
>> Atlantic R1b also went with DYS390 = 23, could one say there was a
>> variety
>> with a founder of its own [quoted from Nordtvedt]
> Peter, You really have a bee in your bonnet. The above clearly points
> out
> the difference between simple 23,11 R1b which has a cline in Europe, and
> the
> more extended haplotype with 447 = 24, H4 = 10, and 464 = 15,16,17,18
> which
> has a founder and is more highly concentrated in Greater Frisia. This
> distinction has been pointed out on many occasions. Ken

Ken I was responding to a point made
by another poster that this has not about
origins. The part you snipped is relevant

> All the same goes for "Scot" R1b. It has a collection of unique marker
> values and a strong geographical origin in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
> And the same with "Irish" R1b --- several unique markers and a strong
> tendency to be found with origins from Ireland.

I am not going to speak for your views
now. I was noting that origins has been
a part of the discussion in the past. One can
search the archives for this and see for
themselves. You repeatedly state (as you did
again above), as if it were fact, that your
Frisian combinations are "more highly"
concentrated in Frisia. I have and will continue
to remind people that this is not necessarily the
case and have noted other areas with more
concentration of the basic 23/11/13/13. South
west England being the latest location I noted.

Enough said by me this time. Une autre fois.


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