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From: "Steven Bird" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] New Research "Tracing the founders out of Africa"
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:38:18 -0400
In-Reply-To: <237088.61998.qm@web81114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Not so fast. The population boom of E-V13 (Balkans) is not old enough to be
part of the Neolithic expansion, according to the new Cruciani paper. It is
early Bronze age. This is a major problem to be overcome by proponents of
the Demic Diffusion model for E3b1a2 and J-M12.

M-78 might of course be Neolithic, but the migration route would be
different; not directly from the Balkans.

Steve

>
>I have tried to examine each haplogroups expansion points. E3b is
>relatively young and primarily benefited from Neolithic farming. I would
>say the 14's and 12's are worth exploring. These off modal values are good
>candidates for research.
>
> In E3b we find this haplotype out of eastern Europe:
>
>393=14,390=25,19=13,391=9,385a=17,395b=18,426=11,388=12,439=12,389I=13,392=11,389II=31,458=16,
>459a=9,459b=9,455=11,454=11,447=20
> Yields the following from Ysearch:
> http://tinyurl.com/2o4arl
>
> Balkans expansion?
>
> Gary
> Mexico DNA Project Admin.
>
>
>grandcross <> wrote:
>
>I have a question.
>
>There are 78 E3b1a (M78) in the E3b Y-Dna Project and their respective DYS
>393 values reveal the following:
>
>4 are 12 (5.13%)
>64 are 13 (82.0%)
>10 are 14 (12.82%)
>
>Everyone agrees mutations are random events. You note the mutation rate for
>DYS 393 is very slow ("1 mutation every 1,316 generations or 26,320 years
>with a generation being 20 years or 39,480 years with a generation being 30
>years").
>
>Recognizing the numbers found at the E3b Y-DNA project may be too small a
>sampling to make any sweeping conclusions, can anything nevertheless be
>inferred about the relative age of those haplotypes (nearly 20% of the
>total) that do not present a value of 13 at DYS 393?
>
>
>
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