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From: Cheryl Simani <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] mtDNA of H in Native American
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:30:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Lawrence Mayka wrote:

An important point for our own field of genetic ancestry is that there is a world of difference between these two statements:

"mtDNA HV has not been reliably shown to have existed in America prior to the arrival of Columbus."

"mtDNA HV is not a Native American haplogroup."


The first is a fair statement of our current knowledge; the second is at best a sound bite, and at worst an attempt to silence dissent and quash further research.

Bonnie wrote:

Yeesh, Lawrence, who do you think is so sinister that they would have any reason to "silence dissent and quash further research"? The brain police? What is their agenda, exactly? The evidence I have seen is overwhelming that HV* is not found in the peoples who came from Asia to settle the Americas. But if there is some actual evidence that shows otherwise, I'm eager to see it. Or are you among those who try to argue that Europeans who migrated across the Atlantic became part of the Native Americans?

Bonnie:

There is nothing sinister about the efforts to "silence dissent and quash further research" regarding Pre-Columbian Atlantic crossings. Here are a few excerpts from my research.

“Following the discovery of a series of curious artifacts, including a few ancient coins, interest in pre-Columbian cultural diffusionism mushroomed throughout the United States. Articles that seemed to suggest the cultural innovations of the “New” World originated in the “Old” World (European or more recently Extra-terrestrial) gained popularity. To many this implied that the Native Americans were incapable of developing a culture as sophisticated as the Aztec, Mayan, Inca, and North American Mound-Builders. Organizations like the Smithsonian Institute fortified their conservative position on the issue in part to shield the integrity of Native American culture.”

“The battle lines of the debate were first drawn by Cyrus Thomas in the 1890’s when the American Bureau of Ethnology struggled to separate fact from fanciful theories on the origins of the Native Americans. Thomas, a stern pragmatist, absolutely opposed the capricious, baseless theories proposed for the origins of the Native Americans. It can be argued from the evidence of Professor Thomas’ previous works that he entered the positions of director of the mound excavation project with the determined goal of disproving those “thousand and one wild theories and romances.” The two prevailing theories were that the Native Americans were derived from refugees either of the “Lost Tribes of Israel” or from the “lost civilization of Atlantis.” Thomas opposed both suppositions.”

“An account might be honest or mendacious, but we rarely have irrefutable proof to classify it as fraudulent. The same artifacts seem to stimulate conflicting schemas. The most apposite finds, of course, are those that fit most effortlessly into the model that is being promoted by one side or the other. Both treat ambiguous evidence as if it matches their specific pattern. Discordant data tends to be ignored, distorted, or rejected. Yet, any system of classification that ignores the anomalies risks forfeiting confidence. In that these coins are anachronistic, they fit into such an anomalous category.”

“The Olaf Kyre coin was found during an excavation of a Viking settlement on the coast of Maine. It has been confirmed and published as authentic. It should be noted that this is the only coin from this study that is accepted as a legitimate “Old” World pre-Columbian coin found in the “New” World.”

I am not a diffusionist, but there does seem to be a long established policy to "silence dissent and quash further research" on this issue. The mtHaplogroup X among the Northern Native American tribes might well be from female survivors of the lost Viking settlement.

Cheryl



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