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From: Asparagirl <>
Subject: [DNA] Haplogroup N in Hungary
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:20:13 -0700


Ken Nordtvedt wrote:
> I was reviewing ISOGG tree's brief descriptions of some of
> the y-haplogroups. They say N dominates the lineages of
> Finns and Hungarians. The first is true; but is there
> evidence of much N found in Hungary? I did not think so.

And Lawrence Mayka wrote:
> Semino 2000 did not find any N in Hungary at all:

The only currently known Hungarian N is a SCHREYER man who is in my
SCHREIER family surname project at FTDNA. He is ySearch ID TNAA3. As
you can see, he seems to be part of a separate "southern" N cluster
apart from the Finns and Scandinavians. FTDNA reports his closet
"RAO" matches among Poles, Czechs, Slovakians, and the Baltic States.

According to the Haplogroup N project at FTDNA...
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/N%20Y-DNA%20Project/index.aspx?fixed_columns=on
...he's also the furthest-known-south N in the project. He can trace
his line back to Pest (now Budapest), Hungary circa 1820, to a man who
was born circa 1780. The family later moved to Poland.

It is still unclear whether his family was originally Jewish,
Protestant, or Catholic, as that older generation's ancestor cannot be
located in the local baptismal records, though the later generations
were Christian. (SCHREIER and its surname variant families in Eastern
Europe are almost uniformly Ashkenazic Jewish; the two samples known
so far are both G5 and match 33/37. In western Europe, particularly
Germany, they're almost uniformly Lutheran, and the one sample known
so far is likely I1a.) In any case, it looks like his paternal
ancestors may have been ancient Magyars.

Too bad FTDNA doesn't test for N subgroups yet.


- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Los Angeles, California

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