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From: "Dora Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] A New N. Euro R1b1c Haplotype Cluster ???
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:14:05 -0500
References: <009201c773cc$8d5e0420$6501a8c0@Richard><REME20070331191642@alum.mit.edu><001201c77466$4848b840$6501a8c0@Richard>


Aren't DYS 385a and 385b fast mutating? I keep in mind mostly that the
markers that have one letter followed by a set of numbers or letters, like
464-a,b,c,d, are designated that way because of something about them that
also causes them to mutate quickly. I don't clearly understand what the
mechanism is, but I mostly care about knowing which ones mutate quickly.

If they mutate so quickly that they can differ by three steps between 4th
cousins, I wouldn't count them as part of a cluster. I think that
sometimes these two markers are actually considered in clusters, but I would
only look at them. I'd base my judgment more on the slow mutating markers.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX


----- Original Message -----
From: "R. & G. Stevens" <>
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Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] A New N. Euro R1b1c Haplotype Cluster ???


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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Chandler" <>
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> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] A New N. Euro R1b1c Haplotype Cluster ???
>
>
>
>>> Carpenter (England) - BJ4G6
>>
>> You can scratch this person from your list. His 4th cousin has the
>> standard 11-14. Hence, the mutation to 11-11 on DYS385 is recent and
>> irrelevant to any widespread cluster. >> John Chandler
> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> The members of the cluster also share all or most of the same off-modal
> values at 390, 439, 458, 447, 449, 456, and 576. Should we include those
> who
> share those values but who have 11, 14 at 385?
>
> Rich
>



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