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From: "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Malaspina et al (2001)'s Cohens -- an answer ?
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:39:38 -0700
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Bonnie,

> Bonnie Schrack wrote:

>Another brief note:
>Al wrote,
>
>
>>Note that in Thomas et al (1998) they did not find any Cohanim in
>>haplogroups E or R or Q.
>>
>>
>
>Well, Al, only in the sense that they didn't test for specific E or R or
>Q SNPs; they tested for YAP (DE) and for P, right? And there certainly
>were a few Cohanim in those divisions. I counted eight in the P group
>and 1 in the DE group -- I think? I'm writing this quickly without
>checking carefully -- but certainly a total of 9 in the two other
>phylogenetic groups, outside of the large group that includes J. In
>the latter large grouping that includes J, there are almost certainly
>some who are not J, because eight more Cohanim have 12 at DYS388, which
>occurs only with extreme rarity in J, but this is a substantial segment
>of the overall dataset, 25 haplotypes. The remaining Cohanim are the
>54 in the CMH, and the 35 who are spread through the rest of what
>appears to be the J haplogroup, based on the marker values.
>
>Bonnie
>
>

Yes I have to be careful, because I was just thinking of UEP Group A in
my post above!
Here is my thinking on the UEP Groups in Thomas et al (1998):

Thomas et al (1998) defined 3 UEP groups (A, B, and C). These were
defined, referring to Table 1, as:
A NGACCT
B NGACTT
C PAACCT

The "N" means "No YAP insert" and the "P" means "YAP insert present".
UEP Group C would then correspond to haplogroup DE (in present day
terminology, containing haplogroups D and E). This is a clear case.

UEP Groups A & B then would correspond to haplogroup at least CR(xDE)
but there are the other SNP's included which I still do not totally
understand what they mean.

With UEP Group A we got some help because James Heald pointed out that
this was translated to (xDE,PR) meaning not D, not E, not P, and not R.,
which in turn translates to haplogroup F(xP). So UEP Group A would
translate to a subclade of F but not P (which has subclades Q and R).

With UEP Group B though we see it differs from UEP Group A only in the C
& T part which corresponds to the 92R7 SNP which defines haplogroup P.
So UEP Group B correspond to haplogroup P (with subclades Q & R). I
wasn't sure if it meant not haplogroup Q though, that is P(xQ)?
Al

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