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From: "Steven Bird" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] E3a Mosselle, Bining, Eastern France 1700
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 19:25:09 -0400
In-Reply-To: <001a01c78cc7$a838e530$6a42424b@Den>


E3a and E3b are different clades. They have not been related for tens of
thousands of years.

E3a does appear in very low percentages throughout Europe but there is no
clarity or consensus on how it got there.

Steve




>From: "Ron Schaming" <>
>Reply-To:
>To: <>
>Subject: Re: [DNA] E3a Mosselle, Bining, Eastern France 1700
>Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:39:14 -0500
>
>I am an American E3b with ancestors who came from Reyersviller in the
>department of Moselle, France in 1871. According to the local history, the
>area was resettled in 1662 after the Swedes depopulated the area, by a
>group
>of 200 people sent from Tyrol in Austria. At the time Lorraine ( Moselle)
>was part of the Empire. With the surname Schaming, cousins still living
>there revealed that family history said our ancestors came from a small
>village named Schaming near Eugendorf about 10 miles east of Salzburg,
>Austria in the region called Tyrol. The history also reports that there
>were
>three brothers (?) named Schaming in that group of 200 immigrants.
>Documented records based genealogy reveals that all Schamings descended
>from
>those three men. The brothers (?) most likely took the surname Schaming
>from
>their village name after their arrival. People in the village today have
>never heard of anyone with that surname which in their village means a type
>of roof. Checking a map shows that the area is not very far from the
>Balkans. It was first settled about 800 AD. Perhaps this answers your
>question. Further, the Tyrol area has a relatively large E3b population.
>Your subject could have been in that group of 200 which would support your
>proven date of 1700. If there is a list of names of the 200 immigrants, I
>haven't found it yet, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Perhaps
>you can find your subject in Eugendorf area church records.
>
>Ron Schaming
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Walter Gabennesch" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:42 AM
>Subject: [DNA] E3a Mosselle, Bining, Eastern France 1700
>
>
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how an E3a got so far into Europe by the proven date
>of
> > 1700. I believe they were in Europe long before that date, but this is
>the
> > date I can prove from civil and church records. They were white by then.
> > The records show they were stone masons and Roman Catholic. They
>possibly
> > could have migrated to that area from Austria.
>
>
>
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